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    I thought chi was supposed to be a metaphor for air & oxygen in the blood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maofas View Post
    I thought chi was supposed to be a metaphor for air & oxygen in the blood.
    LOL, a gas embolism (air in the blood) is usually fatal. Death by chi?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tideliar View Post
    ****. That. ****.

    I will attack any ill-formed, vacuous, unsubstantiated bullshit, whether it's someone's religion or whatthefuckever. If you're an idiot, you deserve to have your **** called out when you foist your beliefs out as "evidence".
    I agree with this. If you have a religious belief that you are trying to interject into some kind of scientific discourse, or to present as evidence for a position then you deserve all of the beatdown that you draw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maofas View Post
    I thought chi was supposed to be a metaphor for air & oxygen in the blood.
    And leverage. And the connection between the lower extremities and the torso. And timing. And and and...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivington View Post
    And leverage. And the connection between the lower extremities and the torso. And timing. And and and...
    And virility and heat and nature and trees and bears hugging people and hippo tears.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maofas View Post
    I thought chi was supposed to be a metaphor for air & oxygen in the blood.
    You forgot to add "....."

    I have watched Chinese language majors, TCMA Herbalists, Native Chinese speakers, People that speak different dialects, researched different books, different CMA "MAsters" of all races, and idiots disagree on the meaning of Chi.

    That's why I corrected judoist. He doesn't realize the ass chewings he has been saved from because, I let someone know he is fifteen.

    That stops from now on.

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    Indeed.

    The new age movement(s) and people looking to make a dollar, as well as the people absolutely convinced that somehow we are "less advanced" than our ancestors and that they knew better than we do now will try to market to you that Qi is a sort of 'god of the gaps' for oriental mysticism.

    Cant explain something which seems completely silly or unfeasable? Qi is the answer.

    The character for Qi is composed of a fire cooking rice and the steam rising to heaven. The meaning as given in the Huang Di Nei Jing was that Qi is the vital force. Effectively offering a name for a basic attempt at understanding why something was alive or had certain types of virtues.

    It doesnt have to be more complicated than that to be of value for a practitioner to understand it.

    Air/steam/clear essence are all visualizations of Qi I learned studying chinese medicine.

    I also learned that you may well be able to make alot more money if you were able to talk about it in a way which suggested you had some kind of deep and ancient wisdom.

    Yang Jwing Ming has some really good lectures on Youtube regarding Wuji (Ying/Yang) theory which tie in with Qi theory.

    The people working hard to get your dollar who may become insulted by your care not to buy something for the wrong reasons are being silly.

    Choose not to be conned in this fashion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rabu View Post

    The character for Qi is composed of a fire cooking rice and the steam rising to heaven. The meaning as given in the Huang Di Nei Jing was that Qi is the vital force. Effectively offering a name for a basic attempt at understanding why something was alive or had certain types of virtues.

    It doesnt have to be more complicated than that to be of value for a practitioner to understand it.

    Air/steam/clear essence are all visualizations of Qi I learned studying chinese medicine.
    Yes, we have had this argument as well. It is somewhere on bullshido. That's why this comment was made:
    We have discussed this here time and time again. It's frankly a very tired subject on these boards.
    I could actually go dig out posts that refute your argument. These are also poster who aren't charlatan's and respected members. Some have their finished their TCMA degrees and are working on graduate level material.
    Not disagreeing with your point just saying it isn't that cut and dried.

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    Fake,

    I would agree with you in that regard.

    There are people who do not intend to cause harm at all and are helpful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rabu View Post
    Fake,

    I would agree with you in that regard.

    There are people who do not intend to cause harm at all and are helpful.
    I agree with both of you. In terms of actual instruction, I forgot to metion that only practicioners of certain JMA styles are taught. Thanks to helmutvlx for reminding me.

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