Qi,Chi,Ki, or whatever else it may be called

**ashkelon** · Posted On: 10/09/2012 8:13am

Originally Posted by erezb

Acupuncture might work sometimes, we don't really know

fixed

**csharp.negative** · Posted On: 10/09/2012 1:11pm

I do qigong and neigong almost every day. I try to do it for an hour a day but alas 1. I am a lazy slob and 2. video games are just so, so interesting. I'd also like to blame work for this.

But when I go to my kung fu classes I always do qigong, and sometimes some neigong before going into my forms and technique drilling. Neigong is great especially for my neck and back where I have chronic nerve tension.

I've also taught some basic qigong to some friends with certain health issues such as lower back pain and hand injuries and it's helped them a lot.

Suffice to say I like qigong and neigong. Whether YOU believe that it will actually make bones harder and more dense, or that it will make your organs sustain less injury, or any of that is up to you. I for one credit it to my fighting ability 100%. I will attempt to convince no one.

**W. Rabbit** · Posted On: 10/09/2012 1:38pm

Originally Posted by goodlun

Any evidence that acupuncture works on anything other than pain management?

Stress, possibly chronic headaches, drug dependency.

Though one has to wonder exactly how they figured out where the rat's points where.

http://nccam.nih.gov/research/result...ght/010112.htm

http://nccam.nih.gov/research/result...ght/031709.htm

http://nccam.nih.gov/research/result...ght/010410.htm

**Sri Hanuman** · Posted On: 10/10/2012 9:07am

Originally Posted by goodlun

Any evidence that acupuncture works on anything other than pain management?

Despite this being a Trollshido thread... Read up on Dr Felix Mann's clinical trials.

Also, BOOBS.

**Resonance10** · Posted On: 10/10/2012 11:55am

Originally Posted by csharp.negative

I do qigong and neigong almost every day. I try to do it for an hour a day but alas 1. I am a lazy slob and 2. video games are just so, so interesting. I'd also like to blame work for this.

But when I go to my kung fu classes I always do qigong, and sometimes some neigong before going into my forms and technique drilling. Neigong is great especially for my neck and back where I have chronic nerve tension.

I've also taught some basic qigong to some friends with certain health issues such as lower back pain and hand injuries and it's helped them a lot.

Suffice to say I like qigong and neigong. Whether YOU believe that it will actually make bones harder and more dense, or that it will make your organs sustain less injury, or any of that is up to you. I for one credit it to my fighting ability 100%. I will attempt to convince no one.

You probably haven't...
Do YOU believe it makes bones harder and more dense? When have you injured your organs?

**W. Rabbit** · Posted On: 10/10/2012 1:25pm

Like Fake said, there is no need to debate. What he believes isn't relevant.

Qigong can be effective physical exercise depending on the exact exercises we're talking about. And some Qigong can also be New Age quackery and have absolutely no benefits except for the DVD seller or "certified instructor".

I purchased several qigong DVDs before seeking out a qualified instructor, and that allowed me to see the world of difference between the two.

**Resonance10** · Posted On: 10/10/2012 2:43pm

Originally Posted by W. Rabbit

Like Fake said, there is no need to debate. What he believes isn't relevant.

Qigong can be effective physical exercise depending on the exact exercises we're talking about. And some Qigong can also be New Age quackery and have absolutely no benefits except for the DVD seller or "certified instructor".

I purchased several qigong DVDs before seeking out a qualified instructor, and that allowed me to see the world of difference between the two.

So by 'no debate' you don't mean 'don't express opinion'?

There's nothing to debate unless you try to insert bullshit into the effectiveness of the three.

I thought I smelt something is all...just my opinion.
Happy to be wrong. But no debate.

**csharp.negative** · Posted On: 10/10/2012 2:46pm

Originally Posted by Resonance10

You probably haven't...
Do YOU believe it makes bones harder and more dense? When have you injured your organs?

I haven't attempted to convince anyone, because I don't have any need to. When someone comes to class and I wind up coaching them I let them decide for themselves. Simple as that. If they don't like it, they don't have to come back.

Rabbit is very right as it's pretty much just as bad as the "certified instructors" of CMAs or, well, any MA for that matter. You can learn something that can have multitudes of benefits, or you'll just be hanging out with some hippies that teach you how to be the a-hole that crosses the street like a turtle because you need to "go with the flow" more.

**W. Rabbit** · Posted On: 10/10/2012 3:05pm

Originally Posted by Resonance10

So by 'no debate' you don't mean 'don't express opinion'?

No, expressing opinions is fine.

The opinions expressed should be relevant to the OP's question, not trying to shine a spotlight on another member's qigong practices, since csharp made no extraordinary claims about his qigong practice. He only claimed it helps his tension, injuries, and MA practice.

Put simply this thread is not about whether qigong is "effective" or "not effective", which is a dualistic fallacy anyway. The only reason I posted about the medical studies above was to distinguish between the types of qigong with data that supports them for improving fitness vs. the types associated with free love and drum circles, which sadly do find their way into MA circles.

The thread is "hey you guys that do qigong does it help your MA?". Answer is a simple yes, and there is no need to debate unless as Fake put it, you start add bullshit claims like chi fireballs and iron shirt bullet deflection.

**It is Fake** · Posted On: 10/10/2012 3:59pm

Originally Posted by Resonance10

So by 'no debate' you don't mean 'don't express opinion'?

No, why would you even try to make this assertion?

I thought I smelt something is all...just my opinion.
Happy to be wrong. But no debate.

Do you read out of order on purpose? You hadn't even posted when I made that comment.

To be clear, the **** works. No one complains about yoga. Why? Because most practitioners do not make ridiculously stupid claims.

"Yoga will help you relax and manage cancer pain." vs "Qigong will cure cancer."
"Yoga will strengthen your organs." vs "Qigong gives you Impervious Iron Body Skills."
"yoga will activate meridians." vs. "Qigong activates meridians makes you a skilled fighter.

Inserting BULLSHIT, otherwise there is no debate. Can Neigong, Qigong and acupuncture help? Sure, if you don't insert all of the other bullshit.

See, C.Sharp, you added that little piece to create a derail. I let it slide, but it got the reaction you wanted. This **** will be culled.