Thread: Practical Fighting
7/16/2010 6:54am, #11
I bounced for around 15 years in two cities.
When you are the small guy (the one whom relies on martial arts and not strength things do change but all bouncers who want to leave the job with no bad facial scars should mention the following:
1) there is no stance to take. what gets you pounded is never the guy in front of you talking to you. It is his friends. First rule is when speaking to a perp your back should be against a barrier so nobody can coldcock, barstool/bottle you to the head.
2) Second rule is that you are to a person's flank, their side, your eyes and head should be looking indirectly at the person.... because peripheral vision senses his movement better. You will see it quicker if you are not looking directly at him. When it does come, never act defensivelly. if a sudden movement occurs and he is angry, an attack is coming, yu keep to his side and grab, hit with an open hand and grab, or go fowards and steam roll him out the door, before any cntact with his friends,,,, done properly his friends will not even know what just happened and will find him outside (in one piece).
Bouncing is never about fighting. This guy is an example of the type you get who real bouncers do not want to work with... a young punk with something to prove. You do not hit people with a punch.. you might use atema waza that is more deceptive.
One thing about this book is true: There are a lot of clowns like this guy and real bouncers have to put up with them, i had too and they are a danger to everyone in the club, usually the owner's nephew who studies the arts and wants to show uncle what badass he is. When I worked thge door at the DNA lounge one of these types got a bottle over the head during Hip Hop nigh and that stoppe his bouncing career.This thread never was a high quality conversation - My friend vern Gilbert on the William Acquier thread.
The fight in question having started over who owns which piece of rubble. Nicko1;2233174 On the Acquier Kim Fiasco slash thread.
7/16/2010 7:18am, #12
For years, the door security industry in the UK has been trying to get away from the image of bouncers/doormen as psychopathic shaven gorillas in suits who stand around looking for an excuse to kick someone's head in. Not to say that there aren't guys like this still around but one of my friends from the football (whom unfortunately I've lost touch with now) who had been a 'door supervisor' (his preferred title) for several years told me that guys like this rarely get licensed these days (as toughguys who like to beat people up tend to have substantial criminal records for one thing or another) and if they do, they don't generally last long on the job.
Anyhow, in every situation I've seen where some serious **** kicked off in a bar/club, the bouncers went in mob-handed and pinned the guy to the floor, sitting on him until he stopped kicking and wiggling with minimal punches and kicks being thrown, if any. I have never, ever seen a bouncer stand up and trade d3adly with a drunken punter.
7/16/2010 10:26am, #13
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I forgot to ask if the book includes any references to the film Roadhouse.
I bet it does.
7/16/2010 10:34am, #14
7/16/2010 11:10am, #15
Actually, he beat up 3 guys while waiting on line to pay at the bookstore, but such events have become so commonplace he doesn't bother to report them anymore.
P.S. Alucard, check out Geoff Thompson. Then you can develop the TKD version of "The Fence"!
P.P.S. Good review. Eventually we'll stop teasing you. Eventually. :p
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7/16/2010 11:25am, #16
can we get link to said threads by 619? I take it that he is from san diego
7/16/2010 3:43pm, #17
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the problem i have with any book written by a bouncer is that it needs to promote awareness and such over any real technique based experiences, they might offer some entertaining stories to read, but IMO as far as thier martial value goes, any experience of them kicking major ass by a bouncer, better be followed by the next few years spent doing time in a state prison.
bouncers have NO special legal right to put thier hands on anyone (self-defence and such excepted obviously), as any good bouncer will tell you its the show of force that is designed to prevent some clown from getting stupid as opposed to a bunch of huge guys beating the crap out of unruly drunks.
if a bouncer was simply telling his/her life experiences, then giving interesting insight in techniques and training methodologies in the styels they studied and why they studied those in connection witht thier desire for protection and preservation as a bouncer i can chill with that.
(i have no intention of bieng one- but a book like that that is honest and truthfull about the circumstances is better than some guy just hawking a book using "bouncer" on his resume like its some kind of magic button for techniques)
7/16/2010 4:17pm, #18
So I saw the Karate Kid - No BS MMA and Martial Arts
So one of the mothers got mad at me - No BS MMA and Martial Arts
Parents piss me off - No BS MMA and Martial Arts
So I had an interesting conversation - No BS MMA and Martial Arts
I miss the old days - No BS MMA and Martial Arts
and no, he's allegedly in New York
7/16/2010 6:41pm, #19
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No I didn't fight anyone standing on line at the book store. I elbowed this sucker in the throat at the VIDEO store. Why? He cut in line and knocked my copy of American Psycho down. :biggrin:
Seriously, I hadn't really intended for this to be viewed as a serious critique but glad some of you liked it.
Originally Posted by maofas
7/16/2010 6:57pm, #20
I'm not an internet tough-guy, asshole maybe, but not tough-guy! You don't see me posting stories about how many people I kick in the face waiting my turn at the ATM!
I was serious though about recommending Geoff Thompson though, and I notice others recommended him too.
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