Thread: No water for you!
7/15/2010 7:59am, #11
- Join Date
- Sep 2008
Hi mate, I hope you're doing well up in Sydney, it's still cold here in the ACT.
Anyway, I'm guessing you're training with Roots yeah?
Where abouts are you located (Sydney wise) ?
Trick is to put my sportbag at a strategic place, so I can reach it fast and without disturbing the class. Also because I drink a lot of small quantities from an easy-access-bottle it takes only 3-5 seconds to my bottle, drink and return.
7/15/2010 8:50am, #12
If an instructor restricts frequent water breaks because they are a distraction to the entire class it's reasonable. To restrict any water consumption at all, specifically if it's an attempt to "toughen up", is absurd. In hot climates during extended intense workouts it's potentially dangerous.
7/15/2010 10:01am, #13
It's funny, my judo coach is the other way around; since Michigan hit it's full summer heat and humidity, he's been reminding us to rehydrate - grab water before class, after class, between rolls.
It's probably because he's a good instructor instead of a jackass.The fool thinks himself immortal,
If he hold back from battle;
But old age will grant him no truce,
Even if spears spare him.
7/15/2010 10:16am, #14
Wow, that's full on. Where I train it's much more relaxed; people have the common sense (most of the time) to not do anything too loud or distracting during a demonstration of technique or while the coach is talking; but other than that it's more a club atmosphere than a military one.
It's expected that everyone have this kind of self-discipline, but it is SELF discipline, not the enforced kind.
I don't think rigid rules and respect/salutation hierarchies are necessary if everyone has common sense and respect. If anything, the "Sensei" stuff and talking to different ranked people different ways, the water break, nobody-leave-the-mats stuff has the opposite effect.
Respect is best brought about by not demanding it, in my opinion.
7/15/2010 10:33am, #15
I occasionally sprint for a bathroom break during one of the drinking breaks though. Nobody gives me a hard time for being a few seconds late coming back in.
Also people frequently join class whenever they can get there even if they missed the bow-in. You just step onto the mat in the back and stretch/warm up alone and then when you want to join the class you sit down. The instructor will call your name and invite you in at the next break between drills/rounds/techniques. That's a concession to karate students being real people with other things to do I have NEVER seen in all the American dojos I've been to. Admittedly there was a little too much LARP in some of the places I've been.It seems to me that the Sanjuriu Martial Art is not in guestion, but, rather the character of Mr. Galt.
7/15/2010 12:39pm, #16
Denying water is asinine, no matter what the reason.
If the body is thirsty, it is time to drink. If you deny it that refueling, something is going to get injured little by little.
7/15/2010 12:46pm, #17
- Join Date
- Oct 2009
- S. St. Paul, MN
I understand that instructors/coaches don't want people randomly wandering in and out of class on a whim to hang out by the water fountain. Doubly so if it's a kids class and they are trying to maintain some kind of order. But none of that changes the fact that dehydration is a serious issue and not to be fooled around with.
7/15/2010 1:48pm, #18
- Join Date
- Feb 2008
- Judo Sandbagger
my JJJ was like that back in the olden days. You did not drink on the mats, nor did you leave unless a) told to or b) about to hurl but that has relaxed recently, and breaks are regular and predictable, so waiting 5 minutes extra is not big deal.
Unfortunaltly I had heat exhaustion because of that policy back in the day after 3 days of training at a course.
What a shock my BJJ was, people coming and going, no bowing, and rehydration after every natural pause in training. Funny thing was people still were able to learn.
7/15/2010 3:06pm, #19
When Patton was training the army down in the Mojave they tried to wean people off of water. They found out pretty quickly that doesn't work. Now the army FORCES you to hydrate. Unless there is no other place to train, I wouldn't go there. It's just ignorant to do that. If you can't go anywhere else, you should go into class with a quart in your stomach, and be prepared to hold your piss. Also not recommended.
You wouldn't drive your car without oil, why would you train without water?"We often joke -- and we really wish it were a joke -- that you will only encounter two basic problems with your 'self-defense' training.
1) That it doesn't work
2) That it does work"
7/15/2010 5:32pm, #20
- Join Date
- Aug 2009
- Judo, BJJ
I train judo in Australia and we have 2-3 water breaks during class, and during randori time if you're not on the mat you are free to drink.
Our sensei has mentioned that when he was younger (he's in his 50s) they often weren't allowed to drink during class, and that today we know this is just stupid.
We are in Queensland which can be quite a bit hotter than Sydney, but even in winter we have water breaks.