Judo posture vs BJJ posture (standing)

**BKR** · Posted On: 7/14/2010 6:42pm

Lots of interesting advice, but if you are not fairly good at Judo, none of it's going to work very well, and you may end up with the guy on your back. If your opponent is in a wrestling stance because he is/was a wrestler, you also may get counter thrown if you are careless.

You just need to knock the guy down and end up in mount or side control, knee on belly, so nothing spectacular is needed. Unfortunately, it's almost as hard to just knock someone down and end up in a superior position as it is to throw them for ippon.

I suppose throwing to half guard isn't so bad, which might happen as well.

In most of the video I watch, most BJJer's seem to take a stance with the left foot forward. The better ones use a good, strong wrestling stance, which is definitely not the easiest posture to work against, and does not really put them at a serious disadvantage given the rules of BJJ.

What you do will depend on if you take a right or left stance. I take a right stance (righty), so I would control the lead arm with a two on one grip, push it across their body, get a over the back/belt grip and depending on how they react, use some variant of hikkomi Gaeishi and land in mount, a basic hip throw, lots of possibilities depending again on how they react and move.

None of that is basic Judo, though.

**Coach Josh** · Posted On: 7/14/2010 9:06pm

The video is coming.

KOUCHI

**BKR** · Posted On: 7/15/2010 2:12am

LOL, that would be my first choice for aiyotsu for sure, being it is my favorite technique.

Looking forward to the "Kouchi vs BJJ" the movie.

Ben

**bigstu31s** · Posted On: 7/15/2010 3:20am

I had this same problem when I did Randori with a BJJ guy last week. Being a Judo Noob myself my knowledge of throws is limited but what I did was pull him forward in the direction he was leaning, to break his balance, and then as he corrected himself by leaning the other way I threw him with Tani-otoshi.

**BKR** · Posted On: 7/15/2010 1:10pm

There you gobigstu31s, problem solved,in true Judo fashion.

Ben

***WhiteShark*** · Posted On: 7/16/2010 3:32pm

Coach Josh! Where is your video!?

**BKR** · Posted On: 7/16/2010 4:07pm

Why wait? If you know how to do Kouchi Gari, then you can figure it out for yourself.

Ben

**oplus** · Posted On: 7/16/2010 9:34pm

Anyone have a good example of a snap down in a gi? I'd never heard the term before this thread, and all the videos I'm coming up with are of wrestlers.

Also, I personally have difficulty landing, well, anything on BJJ guys with their asses back. How does one go about dropping fast enough for an ippon against a butt-back guy? Also, how does one attack the legs of someone standing as such?

Also, I'm seconding the guy that warned against an overly upright stance. DON'T STAND TOO STRAIGHT. Training under current judo rules did squat when I got single leg'd in a heart beat, having never seen one before.

**Kintanon** · Posted On: 7/16/2010 10:57pm

Best snap down move I've used in the Gi is a snap down -> push -> single leg. Get both collars or even just some shoulder or something, any kind of upperbody grip will do. Yank down hard, then immediately pull up and push backwards then dive for the nearest leg. It sounds kind of sloppy, but it sets up a GREAT single leg and if they don't resist the snapdown then you just drive your fists down to the mat with their gi held tight and spin to their back. Mileage may vary above blue belt.

**maofas** · Posted On: 7/16/2010 11:22pm

Originally Posted by speedycerviche

One of my coaches keeps telling me to do osoto gari against people bent over like that but I can not get it to work for myself. I have also seen and found tomoe nage, ashi uchi mata and the hip throw where you grab the belt to work well.

Yeah, people are always recommending that Russian osoto on Bullshido, but I just don't get it. Whenever I try it I wind up getting countered, or a stuff my own attempt since that position seems to be the exact opposite of what I want for osoto (i.e. their back bent backwards). I have much better luck with classical-y and hop-in osoto. Maybe one day...