Martial Arts Forms their true purpose?

[The Question]

Aiyo, look here mayne. It's like this, motherfucking evolutionary biology son. Motherfuckers who practice kata are the omega males, the scum of the species. They only eat after everybody else, and they get none of that female *****. Motherfuckers who spar hard - fucking alphas, fucking each other up, improving skill and then fertilizing all the honeys. Betas - motherfuckers in pajamas that do BJJ and like to roll around and ****, but don't like to bang as part of it. Still coolish, but not as alpha as motherfuckers that bang.

Also, studies have shown that if you practice Kata, you automatically grow a vagina. My homeboy Gary went to an isshin-ryu class once after which he started gaining weight. He got concerned and went to the doctor. Doc took one look and said "Gary, what the ****? You're pregnant, man. You've been fucking doing Kata, haven't you? I warned you about that ****, man, why you ain't never listen?". Yeah, the doc listened to a lot of NWA duirng med school. He ganksta like that.

**** Kata.

[Tetsumusha]

I'm aware that Judo and Kyokushin have kata--I trained in Judo for four years, and still use it in conjunction with my karate, and I know and have sparred with Kyokushin karateka. I am also not saying that there is anything wrong with sport-focused arts, so no, I am not bringing up the "dead horse" with the intention of beating it. All I said was that I see value in kata, although not all of the techniques and concepts carry over into sparring (at least not for me), and that most arts that are sport-focused (specifically sport-fighting-focused) don't tend to focus on kata and probably won't be convinced that they should because they find value in what they are already doing. I don't see what gets people so upset about that?

[Tom .C]

I'm aware that Judo and Kyokushin have kata--I trained in Judo for four years, and still use it in conjunction with my karate, and I know and have sparred with Kyokushin karateka. I am also not saying that there is anything wrong with sport-focused arts, so no, I am not bringing up the "dead horse" with the intention of beating it. All I said was that I see value in kata, although not all of the techniques and concepts carry over into sparring (at least not for me), and that most arts that are sport-focused (specifically sport-fighting-focused) don't tend to focus on kata and probably won't be convinced that they should because they find value in what they are already doing. I don't see what gets people so upset about that?

The Question is a medical doctor. Please heed his warnings. (Also keep in mind that the upset people are the proponents of the straw man arguement that you used that claims people are upset with the kata when they are opposed to the people who claim to find the baby jesus buried in the katas)

[RurikGreenwulf]

Aiyo, look here mayne. It's like this, motherfucking evolutionary biology son. Motherfuckers who practice kata are the omega males, the scum of the species. They only eat after everybody else, and they get none of that female *****. Motherfuckers who spar hard - fucking alphas, fucking each other up, improving skill and then fertilizing all the honeys. Betas - motherfuckers in pajamas that do BJJ and like to roll around and ****, but don't like to bang as part of it. Still coolish, but not as alpha as motherfuckers that bang.

Also, studies have shown that if you practice Kata, you automatically grow a vagina. My homeboy Gary went to an isshin-ryu class once after which he started gaining weight. He got concerned and went to the doctor. Doc took one look and said "Gary, what the ****? You're pregnant, man. You've been fucking doing Kata, haven't you? I warned you about that ****, man, why you ain't never listen?". Yeah, the doc listened to a lot of NWA duirng med school. He ganksta like that.

**** Kata.

OH NOES

You must warn GSP!




THIS DUDES ALSO DO KATA YOU MUST WARN THEM ALL

[It is Fake]

All I said was that I see value in kata, although not all of the techniques and concepts carry over into sparring (at least not for me), and that most arts that are sport-focused (specifically sport-fighting-focused) don't tend to focus on kata and probably won't be convinced that they should because they find value in what they are already doing. I don't see what gets people so upset about that?

Weird because this is the dead horse you beat before your current correction:

But the techniques in kata were not developed for fighting a trained opponent in a ring, so most of them are not ideal for sparring.

Yes, if we believe the history, they were designed to kill another opponent whether it was on the battlefield or in the street. It's funny because war games and competition has existed in the military FOREVER. It's funny how, in the 20th century, that this has all been forgotten. Funnier still, is that it was during and after World Wars that competition is removed from training..

[jnp]

By the way, my current style is Karate, and--in addition to the other training and conditioning I do for my nightclub-security job--I practise the 26 Shotokan Kata, plus Sanchin Kata, several times daily, at home and at the dojo.

Do I find value in kata? Yes, or I wouldn't practise them.

To ensure that value, I also take bunkai from them and practise those against fully-resisting adversaries, in open-ruleset sparring, to ensure that I can use them on the job if necessary. My paycheck--and occasionally my life and limb--depend on that practice. As well, I've found things in kata the value of which I wouldn't have known had I not also had a pre-Karate background in Judo and wrestling.

What I don't do is get all upset that others might not see value in kata. What others think is entirely their affair, and it's not my job to go around trying to convert them--or even to pay attention to them. I've got better things to do with my time. Don't you?

When this guy talks, I listen.


Some people find value in kata. Some people don't.

Based on a preponderance of video evidence, there is no doubt that some people waste their time performing (sloppy) kata. There is also substantial evidence that snapping your joints to their limit and back over extended periods of time and with no resistance is not good for them.

Does that mean that everyone who performs kata does so in an useless manner that is also destructive to their joints? No, it does not.

The world is neither black, nor white. Someone can find usefulness in kata without losing sight of what actually works in an altercation.

[It is Fake]

That's too hard. The issue, for me, is the contradiction. Damn near every butt-hurt form complainer always makes a dig at sport arts.

When this doesn't happen there is actually productive discussion on both sides.

Does jump rope give you an actual fighting technique? No.
Forms done in a similar fashion have an equal benefit in my eyes.

No, I'm not going to explain. No, I did CMA and tend not to agree with VM's or patfromlogan's assessment of their style's forms. Doesn't mean either of us are right or wrong. Yes, people can understand why people do forms, even if the do only sport arts

[Tetsumusha]

I guess I'm still confused as to what is wrong with what I said--I never said that combat sports don't work for self defense, only that kata doesn't work well for combat sports. You're saying that I'm making a dig at sport arts, when I did no such thing. Kata-focused arts certainly have a different approach to training from sport-focused arts, but that isn't an insult to either one.

[Cue ball]

Forms in the martial arts seem irrellivent, and useless nowadays to many ppl. When im asked y I do forms, I cannot answer the question effectivly because the level of knowledge of the person asking is not high enough to reach the answer I give them. So I can either teach them other facts that can help them see the answers that I give them, or provide the answer that they cannot percieve. Forms contain codes for combat strategy that must be deciphered with the deeper self, and then givin to the mind to clairify, and test. Forms contain foundational movements that branch into techniques, and applications not just one move being trained for one purpose. a wicked man cannot decipher a form because his mind is not aligned with the universe that the form is molded in conformity to. the foundational movements transition into fighting with weapons, they have lethal, and nonlethal applications, the gap is bridged between defense, and offence. Etc. . . The best I can tell somebody about forms is that they are codes, then once deciphered, they are textbooks. They are not applications, but they are instructions on how to apply, hidden from the world. They dont teach u how to use ur weapons, they teach u that u are a weapon. It is hidden from even many experts though, so how do I tell somebody who is just attempting to debunk the practice of forms? Questions/ comments feel free

[battlefields]

Bahahahaha... wait, you're serious? Bahahahaha.

Seriously, though, this is fucking hilarity. Good luck on here, n00b, you're going to need it. Watch out for battlefields, that dude is a prick and if he sees the **** you just posted he is going to go to fucking town on your punce ***** post about poomsae.

Fucking poomsae is code! This guy's hilarious.