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    No such thing as drop-seoi-nage? That's news to me. I guess my previous three coaches were full of ****.
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    No such thing as drop-seoi-nage? That's news to me. I guess my previous three coaches were full of ****.
    Well if you mix terms which are contradictory from two different languages you get a nonsense phrase...
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    A nonsense term that everyone who does judo uses, for a very popular throw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrackFox View Post
    A nonsense term that everyone who does judo uses, for a very popular throw.
    Yeh a lot of people use it, but that doesn't make their use of the terminology correct. A poster asked for clarification on what was a Seoi otoshi and Seoi nage, so I told him.

    If were going to use Japanese terms we might as well use them properly otherwise whats the point of using them at all we might as well just use English names.

    Also the Japanese names often convey important information about the principle of the throw.

    If you throw somone using 'otoshi' you do so in a radically different way than if your throw them using 'nageru'.

    Lack of knowledge of Japanese terminology is no indication of lack of Judo skill, so don't feel im insulting your instructors.
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    Probably came about from no one ever using seoi otoshi. So when they see a throw executed from a seoi nage - like entry, but using the obscure seoi otoshi principle, it gets referred to as a seoi nage variant rather than, properly, seoi otoshi.

    Kinda like how you can do a sasae tsurikomi ashi but put your foot up near the knee and it gets erroneously called hiza guruma.

    I'm the only one at my club (or who I've ever met) who uses seoi otoshi as one of my main throws, so the difference is pretty natural to me but I understand it's kind of inconsequential to most.
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    Drop seoi nage is a different throw to a seoi otoshi. I never do drop seoi nage myself, but I do go for the odd seo-otoshi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrackFox View Post
    Drop seoi nage is a different throw to a seoi otoshi. I never do drop seoi nage myself, but I do go for the odd seo-otoshi.
    How is a Drop seoi nage different to a seoi otoshi? What constitutes a Drop seoi nage and what a Seoi otoshi?
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    How is a Drop seoi nage different to a seoi otoshi? What constitutes a Drop seoi nage and what a Seoi otoshi?
    Drop seoinage is drop, load then drive hard. Seoi otoshi is drop and put foot back to block and bring your shoulder to the floor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrackFox View Post
    Drop seoi nage is a different throw to a seoi otoshi. I never do drop seoi nage myself, but I do go for the odd seo-otoshi.
    When you say "drop seoi nage", are you referring to someone who drops to knees to get waaaay low and then rises back up so uke is really high on them when they launch them?

    Or do they drop really low, then push off of their knees and feet and drive forward to execute it?

    Or is it a dropping under them and whipping them over by a spiral-like motion with the hands?

    Now that I think about it, #2 might be classifiable as seoi nage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Negation View Post
    Or do they drop really low, then push off of their knees and feet and drive forward to execute it?
    This one. Ideally the knees don't quite touch the mat and the drive is all from the feet.
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