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  1. Res Judicata is offline

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    That's classic -- and effective -- Judo right there. Action/reaction. A nice back and forth combination.

    The video below demonstrates a fairly advanced competition version of what Mark was describing and several variations and alternatives. http://superjudo.tv/episode-18-o-sot...-to-uchi-mata/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mtripp View Post
    First, work on dominating your grip. You want to get a solid gripping game.

    The big three for the tall guy is first O soto Gari. Drill it all the time, get it solid.

    Now, when you come in for it they are going to push you out, you will turn into Tai Otoshi or Uchi Mata. I suggest Tai Otoshi.

    Good Luck.
    Thanks. Ive never been taught much about gripping or breaking grips, how do i dominate with my grips? Also ive always tried doing o soto gari by forcing uki directly backwards then reaping the leg should i be forcing him to the side slightly instead? cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Res Judicata View Post
    That's classic -- and effective -- Judo right there. Action/reaction. A nice back and forth combination.

    The video below demonstrates a fairly advanced competition version of what Mark was describing and several variations and alternatives. http://superjudo.tv/episode-18-o-sot...-to-uchi-mata/
    Ahh i like. I looked at some of the other episodes and theres a nice one of o soto gari in to sasae. Cant wait to try the osoto to taiotoshi tonight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mtripp View Post
    Yes...

    As you are pulling and stepping in, when you feel Uke push, you are going to plant the attacking leg, and pivot on it as you do a back step with the driving leg. Depending how deep your attacking leg is now, you have uchi mata (done as a leg not a hip throw) or tai otoshi. You may have to "ken ken" by attacking the inside leg, then hopping into attacking the outside leg.

    But to me that is the best concept for a long legged person.
    I'm 5'10" & of the shorter leg / longer torso body type. I get the osoto gari into tai otoshi but I think that the uchi mata would work best for me if tori did the "step-back" defense against the osoto gari... Just me.
    "Judo is a study of techniques with which you may kill if you wish to kill, injure if you wish to injure, subdue if you wish to subdue, and, when attacked, defend yourself" - Jigoro Kano (1889)
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    "The judoist has no time to allow himself a margin for error, especially in a situation upon which his or another person's very life depends...."
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    Quote Originally Posted by adskibullus View Post
    Ahh i like. I looked at some of the other episodes and theres a nice one of o soto gari in to sasae. Cant wait to try the osoto to taiotoshi tonight.
    I've spent some time on superjudo.tv before, & I like the vids but the hair thing is very distracting. How can someone have it so going on in some aspects of their life and yet not get it that their hair is evacuating the premises?
    "Judo is a study of techniques with which you may kill if you wish to kill, injure if you wish to injure, subdue if you wish to subdue, and, when attacked, defend yourself" - Jigoro Kano (1889)
    ***Was this quote "taken out of context"?***

    "The judoist has no time to allow himself a margin for error, especially in a situation upon which his or another person's very life depends...."
    ~ The Secret of Judo (Jiichi Watanabe & Lindy Avakian), p.19

    "Hope is not a method... nor is enthusiasm."
    ~ Brigadier General Gordon Toney
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim_Jude View Post
    I've spent some time on superjudo.tv before, & I like the vids but the hair thing is very distracting. How can someone have it so going on in some aspects of their life and yet not get it that their hair is evacuating the premises?

    LOL noticed that aswell. What is it some sort of shitty ass toupee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adskibullus View Post
    LOL noticed that aswell. What is it some sort of shitty ass toupee.
    No, it's just a shitty ass comb-over.
    Doesn't he know that bald is the new jheri curl? :biggrin:
    "Judo is a study of techniques with which you may kill if you wish to kill, injure if you wish to injure, subdue if you wish to subdue, and, when attacked, defend yourself" - Jigoro Kano (1889)
    ***Was this quote "taken out of context"?***

    "The judoist has no time to allow himself a margin for error, especially in a situation upon which his or another person's very life depends...."
    ~ The Secret of Judo (Jiichi Watanabe & Lindy Avakian), p.19

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    Quote Originally Posted by adskibullus View Post
    Thanks. Ive never been taught much about gripping or breaking grips, how do i dominate with my grips? Also ive always tried doing o soto gari by forcing uki directly backwards then reaping the leg should i be forcing him to the side slightly instead? cheers
    If you're forcing uke you won't get anywhere. You need to first learn when the moments of opportunity for applying O soto gari are, then learn to able to react to them, then apply kuzushi.

    Watch Yamashita's hands in this video:
    YouTube- Yamashita O Soto Gari Part 2

    You need to break uke's balance to the rear right corner, assuming right handed technique. However, unless you are significantly stronger than your opponent you will find it hard to just force them into place. Therefore you need to learn when uke makes mistakes that will make it easy to apply kuzushi for O soto gari. The best way to do this is to work with someone who has the ability level to deliberately make mistakes and help you recognise them and take advantage of them in a structured randori.

    'Dominating the grip' is not necessary to throw people with O soto gari in randori or competition. However, it will make it easier to throw people and therefore is quick fix to people who can't throw, because of lack of technique, timing and experience. However, the problem with this quick fix like all quick fixes is that it doesn't address underlying errors or problems. So 'dominating the grip' may be a solution when randoring or fighting other people of similar low ability, but when you come up against a superior gripper or someone of superior Judo skill in general your quick fix will be nullified and you'll be back to square one. Grip fighting for a beginner is a plaster (band aid in the US) on a broken leg, it doesn't actually fix the broken leg just makes it look like something is being done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MMAMickey View Post
    double legs from a tall guy on a short guy? not only are they now illegal in judo competition because of dumbass rules but making a tall guy drop even lower than he needs to for a hip throw doesnt sound right.

    I'm short but the ones that work on me most from taller guys are.

    tai otoshi

    uchi mata

    sasae tsurikomi ashi

    harai goshi

    osoto gari
    6'4 here and along with this list, osoto garuma, ko uchi gari and o uchi gari are in my game
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    yeah, normally i'd get a quote, but couldn't be bothered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by judoka_uk View Post
    If you're forcing uke you won't get anywhere. You need to first learn when the moments of opportunity for applying O soto gari are, then learn to able to react to them, then apply kuzushi.

    Watch Yamashita's hands in this video:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6V8odHAc1bo

    You need to break uke's balance to the rear right corner, assuming right handed technique. However, unless you are significantly stronger than your opponent you will find it hard to just force them into place. Therefore you need to learn when uke makes mistakes that will make it easy to apply kuzushi for O soto gari. The best way to do this is to work with someone who has the ability level to deliberately make mistakes and help you recognise them and take advantage of them in a structured randori.

    Thank you. This as exactly what one of the black belts told me last night at training. I think im trying to force my way through techniques rather than " feel" them if that makes sense?

    Ive been finding that ouchi gari and kosoto gake are working well for me at the moment. But i think its probally me who does all the straight arming and not my opponent, it a noob habit which im struggling to break im not scared of being thrown its a subconscious thing i think.
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