FMA weapons vs kung fu weapons
Do other traditional weapons styles (ex. kung fu, japanese weapons) incorporate the contact drills and sparring that are common in FMA? This thread isn't intended to be a FMA nutriding thread, I'm attempting to answer questions myself as well as others might have about other traditional weapons styles. If you do traditional weapons feel free to chime in on your training and experiences.
I've seen some kung fu weapons demos in 2 man sets where the weapons are pulled and never make contact. I've seen a lot of karate schools advertise weapons training but all that is actually taught are katas. I know somewhere there must be more to these traditional styles that I'm missing.
Of course, all weapons styles as well as FMA practice single man strikes or forms. I'm just curious how other weapons systems practice applications. Even within FMA practitioners start off doing drills where the sticks make contact to get a feel for a good block. FMA also incorporates flow drills to get the student used to moving around with the weapon. Do other styles do similar training?
Here's a few examples of what I'm looking for in other weapons styles.
FMA full contact sparring
YouTube- Dog Brothers: WARNING: Stick fighting IS Dangerous...
FMA contact drill-the thread is titled sparring but what is demonstrated is more of drill that incoprorates random attacks done in a controlled manner.
YouTube- Balintawak Bobby Taboada Sparring
FMA basic flow drill
YouTube- Escrima Double stick flow drills
Bonus push ups for video of other weapons styles vs FMA!
Last edited by jspeedy; 7/07/2010 5:53pm at .
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But to what degrees are those really “weapons styles”? FMAs are often described as “stick fighting [with an unarmed component]”. Karate (rebranded “empty hand” with some reason, after all!) is an unarmed art with occasionally some weapons forms thrown in, looking for all the world like an after-thought, and as such it’s hardly surprising if the quality is lower.
Originally Posted by jspeedy
There are lots of JMAs where weapons are central—sojutsu, kendo/kenjutsu, iaido, bojutsu, naginatajutsu, kyudo…some of them (e.g. kendo) notably have large amounts of contact training. I would also argue that some, most, or even all of them are “more traditional” than, say, karate. (Spear, bow, and sword have surely shaped more of Japan’s history than empty-handed fighting.) But this seems so obvious that I feel like I must be missing the point of your question…?
(Of course there are various very traditional WMA styles as well, from Fiore, Capo Ferro, or Lichtenauer to Olympic fencing, all of which regularly see swords crossing, but it sounds like you’re looking for Asian MAs, here.)
CMA is tricky and contact is rare compared to most FMA groups. Mostly, it entails 2-man Sets which look good but, are choreographed.
There are a few schools and events popping up that are interesting.
YouTube- Jifeng Chinese Martial Arts Club - chinese sword competition demonstration
YouTube- kung fu weapons sparring
YouTube- World Jianshu Continuous Sparring Exhibition 7 28 09
Yes, I know, not to the level of DBs. Still, it is much better than this stuff:
YouTube- Jackie Chan - SNAKE & CRANE ARTS OF SHAOLIN opening credits
Which is fun, but doesn't translate to actual fighting.
Kendo and iaido are two obvious weapons systems that might compare to FMA and I thought of these while wirting the OP. Does iaido or kenjutusu do any contact work? I've seen two partners do sets with "live" blades where strikes are pulled but I was unaware that they did any contact work. IF you're familiar with drills or specifics of how other traditional JMA weapons arts train feel free to share that's why I posted the question. It's be great if you could post videos demonstrating training aspects of these arts, all i've seen are demos.
Originally Posted by Petter
Nice links, this is the stuff I was looking for.
Originally Posted by It is Fake
Also I found a link to this vid.
Chinese wudang sword vs FMA
YouTube- CHINESE WUDANG SWORD vs PHILIPPINES MARTIAL(3)
FMA vs Kendo
YouTube- Kendo vs. Escrima