7/06/2010 2:49pm, #11
It is definitely something to consider and a good reason why catching **** because of bad training might be tough love for people.... more than they may realize.
What one absolutely cannot do (and so many people do this imo) is say "well I have been doing this ass backwards for 20 years, so I have to keep going."This thread never was a high quality conversation - My friend vern Gilbert on the William Acquier thread.
The fight in question having started over who owns which piece of rubble. Nicko1;2233174 On the Acquier Kim Fiasco slash thread.
7/06/2010 2:56pm, #12
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7/06/2010 9:30pm, #13
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Uh oh OP,
Now you've opened the door to aikido bashing... :)
Now I've got 5 years into aikido, and was fortunate that my sensei's cross trained. One was a judo coach, another was into karate -- which lends to my viewpoint as that aikido as primarily taught today will teach to to breath, relax, a false sense of security, breakfalls and bad habits.
Now my take on good aikido is to include *proper* atemi (not the bull pucky classical tsuki where you leave your arm out to be grabbed, but how to hit someone in the face, it'll help your technique, seriously), and include varying degrees of resistence to the techniques. Add the understanding that, as was put earler, make the circles smaller... abbreviate and improvise a bit. You won't have room for a tsuki kote gishe (sp?) in a bar, and no one is ever going to punch that way in a realistic standpoint. That should be the realization during the multiple attacker randori sessions, but unfortunately IMHO that is lost because it is just too frick'n compliant.
The OP seems open, and he's not spouting (yet) that his aikido is teh d3adly, and likes and learns from other martial arts. Cool.
If he starts going on about sensing ki, and the too deadly to spar, then rip him a new asshole. OTOH, if he's not delusional, likes learning stuff from other arts, then let him wear his fancy black skirt and do his ballet.
OP -- your first post probably should have been in Newbie town to avoid the riff raff.
7/07/2010 5:41am, #14
The Shodokan empty hand vs. knife stuff actually looks like it might be rather useful, dare I say practical? (ducks) in a str33t situation, whilst reminding one that knife vs. empty hand is fucking hard without getting cut. Well from some of what I've seen on video anyway. If there was a school anywhere near me, I'd be checking that out to make my own mind up.
That should be the realization during the multiple attacker randori sessions, but unfortunately IMHO that is lost because it is just too frick'n compliant.
I was watching that and thinking 'someone might learn something that could save their life in a fight if they did that more often'.
7/07/2010 7:44am, #15
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Plus he had the stones to post this OUTSIDE of newbie town. I hope he tears the course apart. Bring on the riff raff, he can take it, Ki or no Ki.
7/07/2010 8:33am, #16
Well that's been gentler than I expected, thanks.
(I should emphasise that next month's MMA/FMA thing is a course, not a match)
As for my posting this on YMAS instead of the newbie page: Self defence needs to be practiced against real attacks, not the gentle ones you get on the newbie page ;-)
I watched that video about alive vs dead drills. I can understand the sigh that came with the link though. We visit a lot of other Aikido clubs, and almost none practice 'alive' drills. Ever. Forget resistance, just the changes in range are going see them killed.
We already practice a lot of 'alive' drills regularly at my Aikido class, though we do practice the 'dead' drills too. I think there is still a place for the dead drills when learning new techniques. I think it's good to start learning any technique from a dead drill, until you get a decent grasp of the mechanics.
Also, the first 'alive drill' you do after practicing forms for a while is usually so embarrassing and demoralising, that it is a really important lesson in itself. Its especially good when we have someone of a different style visit the club, as suddenly there is a whole new bag of dangers we just wouldn't see if made them behave and do 'Aikido' attacks.
I'll admit I don't have a good ground game. I also don't teach groundwork, because it is outside my area of competence. What we do though, is near the beginning of each class (immediately after the warm-up), everybody takes it in turns to play some submission ground work against everyone else. One minute bouts, swapping partners each time until everyone has fought everyone.
We have a couple of ex-judo d3adlys and until recently a bjj guy, who offer tips if they are feeling generous, or embarrassing defeats if they aren't.
Its a useful exercise on three counts. First, it's a great warm-up/exercise. Second, it gives everyone a chance at developing at least a bit of a ground game, without being too heavy for the aikido purists, or older members. Third, it reminds everyone that ground exists and is important.
I'll never beat an experienced ground fighter as a result of this, but hopefully I won't loose against an idiot just coz I'm shocked it's happening on the floor.
I'm not trying to pretend that we are some hard wu-tang Aikido style. We dance around in dresses same as the rest of them, and TBH my fighting sucks. But we do try our best to train intelligently.
Nice to meet you all.
P.S. Thinking of a sign-off but all the Cobra Kai stuff seems to be taken. Might go Deadwood if swearing is ok?
7/07/2010 9:05am, #17
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Man, I loved Deadwood...
"Where's the sheriff?"
"With the ****."
7/07/2010 10:23am, #18
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Welcome, just curious who was your Aikido sensei?
7/07/2010 2:55pm, #19
He left when I was low/mid Kyu grades, leaving us to run the club at that übernewb level, or have it shut. I took the bull by the horns keeping it running, while getting out a couple of times a week to steal Aikido instruction from clubs in other towns, and attending weekend courses etc.
So over the years it means I've been taught by (if not necessarily learned from) loads of people. Everyone of them nice, helpful genuine people, but no amazing lineage to Japanese masters or any of that. Nearly all of them than better than me too which helps.
We are extremely lucky locally in that pretty much every club round here (UK) has a different approach. Some Aikikai, Tomiki, Yoshinkan, Ki, AikiBudo, some Christ-knows-what, but (almost) everyone open and helpful.
I guess it's our history of having to be grateful for any knowledge that we're offered that we are more open minded than some.
**** Me my posts are wordy. I've obviously been holding it in lurking too long.
7/07/2010 3:19pm, #20
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Nothing wrong with dancing round in dresses.
How else could we truly express ourselves as men?
You seem to have a well-balanced attitude to your art man.
Welcome to the land of the posters....