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  1. docwolfe is offline

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    We have a difference of opinion. He rope-a-doped Carwin from his back. Yes, he took some shots but he was defending himself. Hands up, blocking what he could and using his feet to push away when he could.

    I am a licensed MMA referee and I would let that fight continue. Carwin's punches were even getting less powerful as he went along.
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    Championship fights generally get let go longer. No ref wants to be the guy that stopped the fight too early costing someone a belt. Brock was fine. He never once went out, and when he had the opportunity he spun out and used his legs to create space. i have not problem with the fight continuing like it did. I really wanted Carwin to win, but he screwed up by overcommitting. He'll be back, and stronger. I think he wins his next title shot handily.

    Oh, and btw, Brock Lesnar by submission?!?!?! WTF?!?!?! I couldn't believe what I was seeing when he locked that up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PointyShinyBurn View Post
    What's your point, exactly?
    my point is, if you just cover your face for such a long time and not effectively do anything, it doesn't mean you are defending yourself IMHO.
    If it was I could just turtle and get some punishment, and since its defending too i should have been called "best defensive player" or something for taking punishment for 3 rounds.


    And for the conspiracy part, i said before i m not trying to prove anything and i cannot tell i know a lot about how the system works.
    Its just that something about that fight didnt feel right to me so I wanted to hear what you guys think.
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    If Brock had just laid there until the bell I would agree with the people who said it was let go too long. But, the fact of the matter is that Brock started to recover and mount a counter offensive before the round ended. If the fight needed to be stopped then he would not have been able to get back to his feet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Necroyunus View Post
    my point is, if you just cover your face for such a long time and not effectively do anything, it doesn't mean you are defending yourself IMHO.
    If it was I could just turtle and get some punishment, and since its defending too i should have been called "best defensive player" or something for taking punishment for 3 rounds.


    And for the conspiracy part, i said before i m not trying to prove anything and i cannot tell i know a lot about how the system works.
    Its just that something about that fight didnt feel right to me so I wanted to hear what you guys think.
    Never did I think it should be stopped. I, however, was worried that they would stop it even though I felt Lesnar was defending to the best of his ability. Stopping a fight is for safety. I did not see any health related safety issue during that exchange. In fact, when Lesnar did get to his feet, he got up quickly and showed no signs of distress. If he would have been woozy upon standing or laid there for a period of time before standing, I could see someone arguing that it should have been stopped. Fact is, he defended, took some hits, and bounced up like nothing happened. In the second round, he walked over Carwin.
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    First, guys the "fixed" thing was a JOKE. Were ANY of you listening to Paul E before this fight?

    Second, you are never going to get me to believe he was defending himself. I am a Brock fan, I wanted him to win, I want him to win. He pussed out on his feet like a little bitch, and someone is going to take advantage of that sooner or later.

    But, when you are laying in fetal position, your arms around your head and that's all, then the fight is over. If not, then a WHOLE lot of people have a beef with the calls they got.

    Lets see if we now have a new "defense" in the UFC... lay and pray?
    "Out of every hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back." -- Hericletus, circa 500 BC
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    Brock wasn't affected too much by the punches, he even got back to his feet in the same round and would've taken carwin down and won in the first round if it was longer. Carwin could not seriously disable Brock. So it was the right decision not to stop the fight. The better fighter would've lost if the ref stopped it.

    If Brock had just laid there until the bell I would agree with the people who said it was let go too long. But, the fact of the matter is that Brock started to recover and mount a counter offensive before the round ended. If the fight needed to be stopped then he would not have been able to get back to his feet.
    Exactly!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Necroyunus View Post
    my point is, if you just cover your face for such a long time and not effectively do anything, it doesn't mean you are defending yourself IMHO.
    If it was I could just turtle and get some punishment, and since its defending too i should have been called "best defensive player" or something for taking punishment for 3 rounds.
    The unified rules call for you to be 'intelligently defending yourself' to prevent the fight being stopped. They don't say you're winning while this is happening.

    The answer is not that referees need to stop fights for flurries to the forearms, but that Carwin more or less forgot that people also have bodies that can be struck with fists or knees in order to discourage blind covering up.
    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf View Post
    Oh, and btw, Brock Lesnar by submission?!?!?! WTF?!?!?! I couldn't believe what I was seeing when he locked that up.
    It's not like he gogoplata'd the guy for Christ's sake, the arm triangle exists as a pin in wrestling and Lesnar has now been training Jiu Jitsu under world champions for several years.
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    If Brock wanted to prove he had a chin by getting smashed for a round standing, then Carwin should have just let him get back up and smash him some more. It looked like that was what he was doing at one point during the fist round.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KO'd N DOA View Post
    If Brock wanted to prove he had a chin by getting smashed for a round standing, then Carwin should have just let him get back up and smash him some more. It looked like that was what he was doing at one point during the fist round.
    THAT was the error Carwin made. He should have stepped back, let him up, and knocked him down again.

    But the RULES call for "intelligent defence" which in my never to be humble opinion must be a bit more than laying in fetal position with your hands around your head.

    Still, my guy won, so I don't care that much...
    "Out of every hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back." -- Hericletus, circa 500 BC
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