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  1. Deluxe247 is offline

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    the jab/cross

    when you execute a jap cross do you turn your shoulder into it? I was deeply boggled today when a BJJ guy told me im not supposed to turn into my jab/cross and remain in a front - shoulders facing forward position when i throw these strikes. I only stared blankly at him wondering if he was for real or yanking my chain. Then i remembered that i was a pirate and his ninja manipulation had no sway over me. Seriously though, can some BJJ guys clarify for me whether im a moron or this guy is mentaly retarded?
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    BJJ guys giving advice on stand-up? First time for everything I guess.:)

    If you're asking what I think you are, to me there is no real "right" answer. The more you turn your shoulder into the punch increases power and committment, but makes it harder to recover if you miss. You have to find your own balance point between power and safety.

    Personally I try not to go past square on my rear hand, leaning toward good power and good recovery over good+x power and good-x recovery.
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    I put my shoulder into it...its hell when you miss though.
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    When you put your shoulders into it, it's also easier to tuck your chin behind the shoulder for some protection. As long as you bring the arm back quickly, there really isn't a recovery issue as you can throw combinations with your shoulders square or with the lead shoulder up front. There is a trade-off between speed and power related to the use of shoulders, but better to hit with power than some flimsy jab which makes some cement head smile at you.
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    Everything posted is exactly what I would expect, and how I myself punch. I thought it funny that this guy who doesnt even train standing up with little to no striking (and no previous MA training) would say such a thing. I used to think BJJ guys were cool ;p
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    Just a thought,

    Could it be that there's an advantage to throwing a less commited attack if your real intention is to take him down anyways. It just occured to me that maybe keeping squared is more important to a BJJ guy than landing a good right cross?

    I've never trained BJJ so I'm just curious. I mean, Vale Tudo guys seem to make all sorts of adjustments to their 'boxing' to compensate for certain other risks. Like overextending the elbow for example. If you in a boxing match it fine to go for as much range as you can where in a Vale Tudo match you might be asking to have your arm grabbed.

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    hmm, no.
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    Then i remembered that i was a pirate and his ninja manipulation had no sway over me.
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    Originally posted by Omar
    Just a thought,

    Could it be that there's an advantage to throwing a less commited attack if your real intention is to take him down anyways. It just occured to me that maybe keeping squared is more important to a BJJ guy than landing a good right cross?

    I've never trained BJJ so I'm just curious. I mean, Vale Tudo guys seem to make all sorts of adjustments to their 'boxing' to compensate for certain other risks. Like overextending the elbow for example. If you in a boxing match it fine to go for as much range as you can where in a Vale Tudo match you might be asking to have your arm grabbed.

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    Not so much an advantage as playing to a strength (or away from a weakness in the case of a grappler with limited stand-up skills). A good boxer should not partially commit to an attack.

    It's very difficult to grab a boxers punch from distance. Attempting to do so is a good way to eat the next punch in the combo. At close range, things are a little different as it is easier to trap an arm.
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