Posted On:2/23/2004 10:55pm
Men, the poor guy was trying to introduce himself. Can you guys give it a break so this does not to go to trollshido also.
"Santa is dead kid, welcome to the suck"
Posted On:2/23/2004 10:56pm
Apology not accepted, continue to drool in the corner.
I have niether the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manor of which I provide it.
-A few good men
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Posted On:2/23/2004 10:57pm
Sure thing DRD. Welcome to Bullshido damn n00b
Posted On:2/24/2004 1:58am
Style: Chinese Boxing
Posted On:2/24/2004 2:21am
Style: Vaghi BJJ
Originally posted by The Wastrel
Seriously now, I do Brazilian Jiujitsu, and I am curious as to the difference between Luta Livre and BJJ, as well as the history of its development.
I've been curious about it as well. I've seen stories on the Brazilians not being able to beat the Japanese in jacket matches, and then throwing in punches and all else in the mix to make themselves "better." From what I've gathered, Luta Livre is one of the older brazilian no-gi grappling methods, where no strikes have been allowed. Some of the earliest photographs I've seen or heard of are dated in the 1920's if I recall correctly. I'll see if I can wrestle up some information on the mma.tv history forum.
Posted On:2/24/2004 2:31am
I found the link in my favorites:
Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu stylists and Luta Livre fighters have had a long standing rivalry that dates back to the days when the legendary Helio Gracie was a young man. Yet you never hear much about this fighting style perhaps due to the popularity of Jiu-Jitsu in the U.S.
Jiu-Jitsu has overshadowed this art and it is viewed by many as secondary to BJJ. Not necessarily because it is secondary, but because it has not seen the same degree of success in the states.
Luta Livre is a hybrid martial art that has been practiced in Brazil since the late 1920's. It began as a type of no holds barred fighting that eventually combined certain aspects of Jiu-Jitsu and striking to form a single style. You might consider it a type of mixed martial art in its own right.
Translated into English, Luta Livre means "Free Fighting" and is indeed free in that a fighter uses no gear or excess clothing (such as a kimono) that would hinder you from fighting effectively. Luta Livre incorporates certain aspects of BJJ in its groundfighting techniques but tends to focus more on proper striking such as that which can be found in boxing and Muay Thai. If comparing this type of fighting with Jiu-Jitsu, you might say that it is Jiu-Jitsu without the Gi with more focus on striking.
So if it's Jiu-Jitsu without the Gi, why is there such a rivalry between Luta Livre fighters and Jiu-Jitsu fighters?
Fabio Gurgel, a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belt, once said, "Jiu-Jitsu has a lot of students in Brazil and Luta Livre tries to do the same thing as jiu-jitsu but without the gi. So there is like a type of competition between the two styles in Brazil."
The tension between the two camps has existed since the 1950's. This rivalry continues to this day and in 1997 during a promotion called "Pentagon Combat" in Brazil where Renzo Gracie (Jiu-Jitsu) was scheduled to fight against Eugenio Tadeau (Luta Livre), a fight broke out. During the event, over 100 Luta Livre fighters invaded the event without paying and begin to crowd the ring. It turned even worse as they eventually climbed into the outer structure, causing it to collapse.
A riot ensued and somebody even fired a gun at one of the attendees. Hardly what you would call friendly "competition" as Fabio Gurgel suggested. From an outsiders perspective, it would seem that these guys really hate each other.
Many BJJ stylists claim that the whole feud between the two styles began because of the classism that is present in Brazil to this day. The poor kids (Luta Livre) despised the rich kids (Jiu-Jitsu) in what can only be described as a Brazilian version of the Outsiders.
And just like the Outsiders, the rumbling began in the 1950's as gangs (schools) begin calling each other out. Like a bad Martial Arts movie where Karate practitioners claim their style is better than Kung Fu, Luta Livre fighters began to challenge Jiu-Jitsu guys and vice versa. Ever since then, whenever the two groups meet in a public place and there is tension and fights will often break out.
A few Luta Livre stylists have made a name for themselves because of who they have fought. Hugo Duarte is one of the most recognized Luta fighters because of his famous fight on the beach with Rickson Gracie. The original footage can be viewed on the "Gracie in Action" tape series for those interested. (Rickson won in case you are wondering)
Marco Ruas, originally a Luta Livre fighter, has separated himself somewhat from this rivalry by calling his style "Ruas Vale Tudo." He claims to have a unique style that is slightly different from regular luta livre perhaps because of the crosstraining factor.
Many Brazilian fighters have come to the United States and claim the grudge does not exist between these two styles. As of 2002, I have not heard of any fights breaking out in the USA due to BJJ/Luta Livre rivalry. But I continue to hear stories about fights that still happen in Brazil.
Posted On:2/24/2004 2:35am
I'm waiting for somebody to mention Wanderli Silva.
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