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  1. Sri Hanuman is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rabu View Post
    The Jingwu book is also a must, for its section on peforming historical research on Chinese martial arts.

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    Were you referring to this title by chance?
    Amazon.com: Jingwu: The School that Transformed Kung Fu (9781583942420): Brian Kennedy, Elizabeth Guo: Books
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    Sure were. Thats the ticket.

    *Remember, my post is to the subject of the original poster. I found Brian's statements in the book to be an excellent primer on research. But then again, I have long been exposed to Brian and Stanley Hennings writings, which offer a solid scholarly pursuit of history in the chinese martial arts.

    Now to learn Mandarin, Cantonese or any number of dialects which might be more useful than english for research purposes...or get a second wife with native language skills.
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    Excellent.
    Will be getting my paws on that in about a month or two.
    I would also like to point my finger at Records of Ming Scholars, by Huang Zonghsi (黄宗羲) of particular interest due to Huang's role as a redactor of the Ningbo Gazette. The man was responsible for inserting a lot of information we now use to refer to an "Internal School" of MA.

    Do some snooping here, and you will see where a lot of modern CMA gets it's mythos.
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    Also, Scott, I highly recommend you take a critical look at Douglas Wile. Not necesserily for his research (which in itself is monumental to understanding modern IMA, IMO) but for his unique approach to such research.

    I believe he was the first to include political, social, geographic, cultural, and economic factors into his work. This would allow us a more complete understanding of an art within proper historical context. Wile is, in may ways, the spiritual successor to Tang Hao (again IMO.)
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    I suggest Martial Arts in the Modern World, by Thomas Green and Joseph Svinth, specifically "Sense In Nonsense: The Role of Folk History in the Martial Arts".

    Beyond that the book does not specifically address the origins of CMA, but does have an essay specific to the origin of TKD "The Evolution of Taekwondo from Japanese Karate", and Gracie JJ, as well as a number on the introduction of martial arts styles into non-native locations.
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    IS there anywhere one could find a complete list of Tang Hao's works? I've only found 3 of them looking around, but read that he authored atleast 10 books.
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    IS there anywhere one could find a complete list of Tang Hao's works? I've only found 3 of them looking around, but read that he authored atleast 10 books.
    When you do get an answer, post it here.
    I'd like to know that myself.
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    Brian Kennedy is on Facebook. Look for him and add him, send him a message and ask if he has access to or knows the list of Tung Hao's books.

    Stan Henning maintains a list of his works at:

    www.seinenkai.com under the chinese martial arts section. He may well have a contact email or address there. You can always try to contact him as well.

    you could also contact the people who run this site:

    http://www.plumpub.com/

    And see if they have anything worthwhile to share. This is Lion Books of Taiwan's website. The same company which Brian Kennedy mentions several times as a decent place to obtain historical books. With all the caveats associated with chinese martial arts history.

    Remember, everything before approximately 1900 becomes sorta voodoo on the facts and harder to ascertain the truth of.

    "once you accept that everything you know may be a lie...." he paraphrased...
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    Thanks, Rabu. I knew Sri Hanuman could give some help, but I didn't know you were also knowledgeable on the subject.
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    If I had a dollar for every mistake regarding martial arts I have made in my life, Warren Buffet would be my pool boy.

    Some mistakes simply give you enough angst to plow through the crap to see whats really there, so you can put a name to your pain.

    If I remember anything else of use, I will post it here for all to see.
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