Posted On:6/26/2010 9:20pm
Style: MT/Ex-Judo NO SPRAWL?!
I still don't like the new rules but I stand corrected.
EDIT: Ah, here we go:
YouTube- NEW RULES JUDO 2010 - EXAMPLES
My club severely discourages double leg takedowns even before the new rules. Kept doing it anyway, I get occasional Ippons.
To be completely honest, I'm embarrassed to say but I can't tell which is valid and which isn't. So I just stopped grabbing legs altogether.
Last edited by iopyud; 6/26/2010 9:29pm at .
Posted On:6/26/2010 9:23pm
Style: Bartitsu&German Longsword
The Youtube ninja training looks like it is showing how to grab a woman's breast. Is that a sport or a street application, and if so how practical is it?
Posted On:6/26/2010 9:46pm
Style: BJJ, Judo
"To be completely honest, I'm embarrassed to say but I can't tell which is valid and which isn't. So I just stopped grabbing legs altogether. "
Its only direct leg attacks that are banned so as long as its in a combination (and not the first technique in the combination) or a counter it is legal.
Posted On:6/26/2010 10:25pm
Thanks for the info.
Posted On:6/26/2010 11:14pm
Style: BJJ, FMA
This is a very good question. On one hand competition can water down martial arts where somethings like kicking to the groin aren't practiced in competition. However if you are ever in a real life confrontation, I highly doubt you won't know how to kick in the groin.
I believe that competition is a good thing because it pushes people to refine technique and become better fighters. Competitions like UFC , I believe, are best suited for this, because it practically forces a fighter to be diverse, and as skilled, in all areas.
The problem with competition develops when it becomes to restrictive, for example you can only win by pin or points in freestyle, or only punching in boxing. However this doesn't mean a good boxer can't knock you out, or a good wrestler can't take you to the ground and end up on top for a Ground and Pound.
The worst is when competition becomes so restrictive that they don't allow contact in competition or when it becomes tou lu. This is when people say it's teh d3adly, but have no experience ever applying the technique to ever see if its even valid.
Just my two cents.
Posted On:6/27/2010 3:33am
Originally Posted by keyoz
Savate grappling elements being eliminated because everybody knows grappling is gh4y, but wearing unitards is manly.
And what do you know about Savates grappling element? Or removing also elbows and knees?
There is this art called Savate-Defense, which still teaches all t3h d34dly. BF-Savate is combat sport, and if we want to use knees or elbows, we can always try MT-fights, or kickboxing.
Posted On:6/27/2010 6:19am
Style: BJJ, TKD, Lifting+Cardio
Originally Posted by Alucard619
That's bullshit man, what type of training is that supposed to be?
When I started TKD, the first thing I learned was how to punch right. Oh and what type of competition sparring allow the use of ridge hands and back fists? Certainly not WTF (not too sure about ITF though).
Really? Because it's ITF TKD that's like the "Kyokushin" of TKD.
Posted On:6/27/2010 7:03am
"Really? Because it's ITF TKD that's like the "Kyokushin" of TKD."
One of my friends trained at a ITF school and he said they were not allowed to spar ever under any rules.
Posted On:6/27/2010 8:55am
Style: Parkour, BJJ and Judo.
I think that on the whole, sportification of MA has been pretty beneficial. As stated already it gave the world San Da.
The well worn aliveness argument still stands here, I don't think it needs to be brought up.
Even though we might laugh at TKD they fight and train alive for what seems like the most part. Apparently MaverickZ of BS has killer kicks that could work quite well compared to most horseshit out there.
I think that TKD is really the only example of sportification of an art that leads to it being viewed as more BS than others. That I think might be more due to trying to keep the focus on more traditional specializations of TKD.
I mean most of the basic striking arts that are trained literally across the world, without any influence from each other (San Da, Muay Thai, Western Boxing, Savate and Kyokushin Karate) are pretty much even in open competition with each other, although trying to adapt to a very open ruleset leaves boxing at a slight disadvantage.
Same goes for the grappling arts (The many types of wrestling, BJJ, SAMBO and Judo) are quite even in what they offer the consumer.
By even, I mean that even though one might have a better record over the other in the long run, it is more down to the individual drawn to the art and that one would not be disadvantaged if one was limited to a specific art, say BJJ.
This evenness isn't coincidence either, it happens when very sound techniques are drilled ad naueseum, there are only so many ways to throw someone down.
Posted On:6/27/2010 1:35pm
sportification<-- if this is actually a word, results in athletes that can perform the allowed techniques more efficiently against resistance than those who do not compete in the sport or a similar sport.
over restrictive rules such as most karate, TKD, all touch point sparring and now judo* result in competitors having skills that translate poorly to any situation outside of the sport.
*Judo skills still translate out of the sport but the ever growing list of banned techniques creates weaknesses against those techniques, instead of resistance against them which is arguably preferable.
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