Thread: YMAS CY MABS cull
6/22/2010 9:32pm, #41
<<<I have several times. I saw nothing where Chuck claims these are USJA events, ergo I am going on the assumption they are not. If so, the whole USJA sanctioning is irrelevant, unless someone can show me an exact post where Chuck claims these were USJA events.>>>
Proving you have NOT read it at all. EVERY Judo event, EVERY SINGLE ONE, requires membership in one of the three Judo groups. Period. Nothing else to say. There is NO record of Chuck EVER being a member of one, so he NEVER fought in a Judo shiai. Period.
<<<As directed I re-read. It would appear more research is being done here. Very well.>>>
But you did not comprehend what you read. You keep trying to find the loophole. There isn't one. There is ONE Judo in this country and the World. The claim is false.
<<I'm not assuming anything, this is Chuck's own wording. He stated that his father paid Bill Kitz for the first of these events. The other ones could indeed not have been hosted by Kitz, again we don't know.>>>
Not what Chuck said when he said his father paid for him to join.
<<<Sorry Coach, but respectfully, you are wrong. I could decide to host something at a friend's gym and call it a Judo event, and it IS a Judo event because I say it is.>>>>
Really? SHOW ME ONE. Find me the "false" Judo event. Not ONE legitimate Judo player, referee, or coach would be there. Period.
<<<National sanctioning is irrelevant. >>>>
In your world, perhaps. In the JUDO world, you are simply dead wrong.
<<<If I wanted to I could get insurance. Same way I can go host a drag race somewhere without NHRA association... guess what, it's still a drag race. Same way US Grappling, NAGA, and a dozen other organizations host BJJ events without IBJJF sanctioning. Etc etc etc.>>>
Again, you saying it does not make it so. NO ONE from Judo would attend your made up, non certified event, AND YOU CAN'T NAME A SINGLE ONE THAT EVER HAPPENED. It simply doesn't work that way, and the President of Ohio Judo is here telling you that and you simply ignore him because you are so in the tank for Chuck.
<<<You cannot state this for a fact. It is very easy to mislead people, and it's done day in and day out on just about everything.>>>
I can, I do, and I have. Rather than spin fairy tales, PROVE ME WRONG.
<<<And you are assuming everything and anything Judo is done under the purview of USJA, USJI, or whomever. You cannot make this statement Coach, it's simply not something you know for a fact. You cannot guarantee me that every judo club in the US is associated with a national body, NOR that any and all events said clubs may host are under the same authority.>>>
I can, I do, because it is. You simply can't believe that. Yes, there are BS Judo programs in Juko-kai and USMAA, BUT THEY DO NOT SEND PEOPLE TO SHIAI. They can't. The reality check would be the end of them.
<<<You can take a long walk off a short plank. I've tried to show you respect, and you're giving me a piss poor attitude in return. Just like Matt, much of the respect I had for you is going out the window.>>>
Wow, you really are Ralph Severe aren't you? Respect me or not, it doesn't change the facts, and they are all on my side.
<<<You need to check your damn facts, and recognize when you overstep your bounds. I don't give a damn if you're a 14th dan in whatever, certain statements you are making you and Mark Hunter do not have the authority or knowledge to make, such as on events that you have NO firsthand knowledge about and individuals that you do NOT know what was going on in their minds OR how they conducted business. >>>
No, but I know how Judo is ran, and you do not.
Clearly we have nothing more to say, and you have NO CLUE what you are talking about. You are now on ignore."Out of every hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back." -- Hericletus, circa 500 BC
6/22/2010 9:36pm, #42
It's just not worth it.
I'm just going back to doing my thing here and using this as a venue to hopefully find new locals to roll with. If you assholes feel the need to **** all this up then go right ahead, it's just $20.
6/22/2010 10:34pm, #43
"go ahead and do it online if you want, but no rush, in may you will be playing in the north south tourny and they will sign you up at the door with your proper rank."
the two other guys that got yellow and orange belts with me were told the same thing.
6/22/2010 10:43pm, #44
- Join Date
- Sep 2005
- Brooklyn, NY
- Yudo, Karate
I can say I have trained outside the 3 major org in US and what MTripp/Markjudo are saying is absolutely true. You cannot compete in any Judo shiai unless you belong in one of the orgs.
My instructors in 90s were Koreans (fresh off the boat) and none of them were affiliated with any Judo organizations in US. We never competed in any Judo shiai. Our competition was against other Korean Yudo dojangs. Or visiting friendly Judo dojos for in-house randori practice.
6/22/2010 11:06pm, #45
No, I'm not saying they have happened, but it's not out of the realm of all possibility either and it's not exactly difficult to check. So we should check it before saying definitively one way or the other.
6/22/2010 11:11pm, #46
- Join Date
- Aug 2009
- xBJJ xTKD ninpo nusubito
because a possible scenario would be that the instructor would let chuck hardin take the fall to protect himself.
IIRC in your database the date of rank was in 1981, 2 years before hardin started.
6/22/2010 11:24pm, #47
As I said, NO legitimate Judoka, Coach, Player or Ref would attend such an event. As such, no one would claim it to be such an event.
I was with Juko-lie for about 5 years, NO ONE there EVER put a Judo Gi on and randoried with me, let alone went to a shiai.
I was with USMAA for one year, when I arrived NOT A SINGLE person EVER did randori or shiai. In 4 months we took a team and one the state championships. After leaving, they NEVER went to a Shiai again.
There is no doubt Chuck knew all of this was bogus, sadly he has decided to attack me rather than the facts. Which come to think of it, is EXACTLY like Ralph Severe."Out of every hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back." -- Hericletus, circa 500 BC
6/22/2010 11:32pm, #48
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- Brooklyn, NY
- Yudo, Karate
6/22/2010 11:44pm, #49
6/23/2010 12:16am, #50
In which thread has Chuck attacked you?
Hope you don't leave over this political bullshit Mark. This site is bigger than the ego's in play.
PM me you contact info please in case you do vamoose.Carter Hargrave's Jeet Can't Do