cutter/cutting kicks?

**omoplatypus** · Posted On: 6/22/2010 2:07am

tonight in the striking portion of my mma class, we went over a kick i have never heard of. the cutter or cutting round house. some of the other guys managed to get the knack of it and use it in sparring, but i couldn't seem to do it.

it went like this.
1. start like a normal leg kick with the same foot work
2. bring your knee all the way around for the round kick, but keep turning your hips until your pelvis is pointed at the floor, but your knee is still bent
3. straighten your leg with a bit of a pushing motion, so that your shin slides across their body/leg check. the slide would look like a saw going across a log.
4. plant your foot in front of you instead of bringing it back, and follow up with any appropriate hand strike.

the idea was to push the person's leg check back around to open them up for a second strike or, if they didn't leg check, to push their body back for you to slide into a good position to punch/knee strike. also, the kick is supposed to hurt if done right, but it wouldn't hurt as much as just a regular, well placed round kick.

like i said, it felt amazingly foreign to me and i had never heard of it before.

any insight would be great.

**Khun Kao** · Posted On: 6/22/2010 7:08am

My opinion, based upon your description, is that this is just another example of a "gimmick" move.... The amount of time it would take for you to master this technique could be better spent training on your fundamentals.

**Soldiermedic** · Posted On: 6/22/2010 7:12am

I am pretty sure they have this in sikaran and yaw-yan

**Neo Sigma** · Posted On: 6/22/2010 7:29am

If I'm imagining this properly, it sounds like it wouldn't do much damage and leave you really vulnerable to a counter(moving into your opponent with one leg raised? KO plz). Not a tradeoff I'd be willing to make.

**OiScout** · Posted On: 6/22/2010 9:24am

I'm kind of confused. It's not the same as kicking, having it checked, and then hooking with your foot? Cause I don't see the purpose of the slide/sawing versus landing it forward

**BackFistMonkey** · Posted On: 6/22/2010 9:28am

Vid or pics please.

Seriously, draw me a stick figure on a napkin or something because I can't connect what you are saying with what I know as a cut kick.

* edit *

Wait yes it is, kinda I think.

1. step in with lead leg and pivot on ball
2a. begin kick like a head high round but turn it over a little early
2b. causing leg to begin drop, turn knee and hip over even more, extending leg naturally
3. land kick low, on thigh/checking leg with shin.

**dwkfym** · Posted On: 6/22/2010 9:37am

Let me see if I can rephrase WK:
Do a regular round kick with a lot of hip commitment
As you start to connect, push forward so you have two movements happening as you connect
1. perpendicular impact to leg from the regular round kick movement
2. "sawing" effect from the shin sliding forward as it lands

Is that correct?

**omoplatypus** · Posted On: 6/22/2010 11:02am

Originally Posted by dwkfym

Let me see if I can rephrase WK:
Do a regular round kick with a lot of hip commitment
As you start to connect, push forward so you have two movements happening as you connect
1. perpendicular impact to leg from the regular round kick movement
2. "sawing" effect from the shin sliding forward as it lands

Is that correct?

that's pretty much it. i've never heard of this technique, but it's supposed to push the other person around to a better spot for you to do damage, and it doesn't feel good.

personally, i'd rather keep it simple and just kick the **** out of their thigh, and then kick the **** out of their face.

**Neo Sigma** · Posted On: 6/22/2010 11:17am

Originally Posted by White Kimbo

that's pretty much it. i've never heard of this technique, but it's supposed to push the other person around to a better spot for you to do damage, and it doesn't feel good.

personally, i'd rather keep it simple and just kick the **** out of their thigh, and then kick the **** out of their face.

Same. I can't see doing this without unbalancing yourself with the forward "sawing" motion, and if your opponent sees you go for a leg kick and decides to move forward to stuff it with a cross, that's you looking up at the lights because you'll have walked right into his fist with the forward movement.

If I'm moving someone around to a better position to do damage, I'm probably tossing them around in the clinch. Less risk, more potential to cause general harm.

**omoplatypus** · Posted On: 6/22/2010 3:58pm

Originally Posted by Neo Sigma

Same. I can't see doing this without unbalancing yourself with the forward "sawing" motion, and if your opponent sees you go for a leg kick and decides to move forward to stuff it with a cross, that's you looking up at the lights because you'll have walked right into his fist with the forward movement.

If I'm moving someone around to a better position to do damage, I'm probably tossing them around in the clinch. Less risk, more potential to cause general harm.

would this technique have ANY benefit in the realm of reversing a leg check?

what would you do to stop someone who had fast checks against your kicks.
(other than punching them in the face, takedowns, throws, or the clinch, unless there is nothing left to do....)