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  1. the Mutt is offline

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    Posted On:
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     Style: Earth DragonMMA

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!

    Rules we use at Earth Dragon MMA

    I was tasked by my association, with formulating a set of rules that had to fit these criteria:
    these rules are to Encourage Submissions, and not to reward the skillful manipulation of a point system.
    We want to make this as close to martial and not sport as is possible.
    Level 1 is submission grappling. Starting Standing up.
    now heres some differences:
    Every technique gets 1 point. PERIOD. :cool:

    That means a good throw - RESULTING IN CONTROL

    A sucessful shoot-, resulting in control

    a reversal that results with the player ending up in a positive position i.e. sweeping the mount

    Once one achieves a control position, there are no points for "riding time" and hold downs (a la Judo) are not rewarded. We will stand them up and start again. As soon as control is established, the player MUST immediately an attempt to set up a submission

    Any honest attempt that puts the other player in "jeopardy" will get 1 point.

    No points for escapes :o

    Pulling guard = 0 points :rolleyes:


    In most grappling arts, the point system is in place for the Player.....to learn, and use. They almost always favor certain techniques over others, or have aspects (like hold down in judo, a shoulder pin in wrestling ) that we don't encourage.

    Its also our feeling that "riding time" has no place in a a realistic training scenario, so we eliminated it from the scoring criteria

    Our rules are there for the Ref. Since what we want to encourage is a submission, we want the players to Roll as if there are no points....as if they don't matter. The ref will simply use them to guage was the better/more sucessful fighter.

    These rules simplify things, cresate a level playing field and we feel are about as realistic as we can get safely.


    LEVEL 2:

    Start standing.

    Full contact striking

    Head NOT a target

    Takedowns /Throws allowed (then level 1 rules ensue)

    No striking while on the gound


    LEVEL 3:

    Same as above but add:

    Head contact OK

    Striking is allowed on the ground.



    I'm sure I'm overlooking something, but I don't have the rules in front of me.

    We're not allowing heel hooks, except if we promote a pro/semi pro level event.

    There are certain restrictions on kids. We loosely break them up into 3 levels
    up tp 7
    7 to 12
    12 till their seniors

    give me some feedback, if you have an opinion
  2. FingerorMoon? is offline

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    Posted On:
    2/22/2004 6:28pm

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Maybe its outside the criteria of what your posting here, but you haven't made mention of what submissions are allowed at what level ?

    I often see 'leglocks not allowed at beginner level' which I think is fair enough, especially with heelhooks.
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  3. the Mutt is offline

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    Posted On:
    2/22/2004 7:09pm


     Style: Earth DragonMMA

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Except for real young ones, its all good. We don't let them do leg locks till theyr're @9

    Except for heel hooks, neck cranks and possibly the gullitine, all the basic submissions are ok.
    ALSO no small joint (finger-toe) attacks.
    COMMON SENSE PREVAILS>

    hope that cleared things up
  4. FingerorMoon? is offline

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    Posted On:
    2/22/2004 7:41pm

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    So anything goes after the age of 9.

    Hardcore :)
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    Posted On:
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     Style: BJJ/Shidokan

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Cool but why is this in this forum?
  6. the Mutt is offline

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    Posted On:
    2/22/2004 8:07pm


     Style: Earth DragonMMA

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    One thing that is real important is the role of the Ref....he/she is omnipotent in the ring. We are very, very emphatic about safety, and I'll stop a match before I take a chance with an injury.
    If someone dosen't like it, well 50% of the crowd is always pissed off at the call anyway.

    My daughters don't have any girls to roll with, so they roll with anyone. Usually adult guys who outweigh them by a ton. We are sort of hardcore by some estimations, and only getting harder.
    After all its (sparring/randori) supposed to make us better able to defend ourselves. The more realistic, the better.
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    Posted On:
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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    i have a 6 yr old daughter in judo, and i have a hard time finding people to roll with her.how old are your kids?, about the same age or too old to roll with my baby girl?
    16 years till retirement.
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    Posted On:
    2/22/2004 10:20pm


     Style: Earth DragonMMA

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Milwalkee Cop:
    They are 13 and 15, but roll nice and easy.....The older one likes kids and the younger one will tolerate them if they want to work.

    White Shark:
    I posted this here because we were talking about people coming out my way, and if they rolld, I would get to try them out. Its in White Haven PA. 10 April.
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    Posted On:
    3/29/2004 12:10pm


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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    I like the concept of martial artists coming together to train, dont you whiteshark.
    aint that what it should be about, instead of bad language and bitchin each other.
    keep promotin the spirit mutt.
    if the trainind hard, constructive and useful and involes an evening of chat in the pub after thats gotta be a social benefit ti PA

    as nthe nike add says "just do it"
    train to be the best you can be
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    Posted On:
    3/29/2004 12:16pm


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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Originally posted by doshu
    I like the concept of martial artists coming together to train, dont you whiteshark.
    aint that what it should be about, instead of bad language and bitchin each other.
    keep promotin the spirit mutt.
    if the trainind hard, constructive and useful and involes an evening of chat in the pub after thats gotta be a social benefit ti PA
    Well said sir!
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