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  1. mikus is offline

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    I still don't exactly understand why people bitch and moan about judo not being more like bjj rules. Judo is judo. Sport judo is a sport. Sport judo promotes certain things, namely, ATTACKING THROWING. In my opinion it has lost out on what judo was originally intended to be, but that's different from just wanting it to be more like bjj. Bjj already exists for bjj, judo isn't needed for that.

    And a couple more things:

    When did wrestlers ever outjudo judokas in international competition?

    You CAN pull down on the head on a triangle. I don't know where you go that idea from.
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    bjj SUCKS!!! JUDO RULES!!! DEAL WITH IT!!!:D (since so many have said this site is ANTI-BJJ I got to make sure they're right! Don't you love how pple speak on things they know little of!)

    Mikus is right when did wrestlers dominate Judoka in internation competition?

    I see BJJ guys bitching about wrestlers all the time. An I read Rorion crying about wrestlers becoming BJJ champions with out training BJJ (much like me :D)

    Also if you said Judo is STAGNANT and doesn't EVOLVE do not post anymore on Judo you don't know what you are talking about and if you lie and say you do I will beat you with an obi!
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    Posted On:
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    Originally posted by The Wastrel
    The reason BJJ doesn't END with a pin is that fights don't end with a pin.
    Strongly disagree with you there Wastrel. All fights are not the same because pple may fight for differnt reasons. It is quite possible to end a fight with a pin and let the person calm down or hold you until help arrives.

    So by the power invested in me by the Wrestling Gods I declare thy statement false.
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    Koomunga I just thought that BJJ was grappling broking down into a science. Leverage and dominant position being the primary objective. Position then submission.
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    I didn't mean to imply that wrestlers were beating judokas at an international level. I just meant to imply that if judo is a sport centered around takedowns, my opinion is that it is silly to decide that certain takedowns are "uncouth" and to discourage them.

    As for the triangle, all I know is that I was criticized by the coach and other judokas at the UC Berkeley judo club for pulling down on the head. I was told that that placing the palm of my hand against the head was illegal. I asked if I could turn my head upside down and pull and was told ("Umm... probably not, but it might depend on the judge.")

    If I was misinformed, I humbly apologize and request the correct information.
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  6. mikus is offline

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    Sorry if I sounded like an asshole, I didn't mean to. But I'm almost positive that it's legal. I've never been warned in practice and I haven't the slightest as to what rule it'd be violating. I guess maybe cranking the neck would be the closest one, but one of the more common tate shiho (mount) variations involves gripping around the neck and grabbing your own belt which would be much much more likely to turn into a neck crank.

    Were your hands on the person's face at all? That would be illegal, but I don't see why you'd do that on a triangle.
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    As far as the takedowns idea goes, my impression is that certain wrestling takedowns are not highly regarded because they are not high amplitude. But then that begs the question as to why they have yukos and kokas, which in my opinion hinder the development of good attacking judo. I think any yuko or koka takedown should just continue onto the ground, because that's really what the takedown would be good for.

    Also, even the Russians really never beat Japan's ass, even when there weren't gripping restrictions. They did the best anyone besides Japan had done, but Japan still one more medals (and higher ones, too). But I'd agree that the gripping restrictions are lame. Give out penalties for stalling in general, it shouldn't matter what grip you are using while stalling.
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    Hmm... The triangle info is really interesting. My hands weren't on the face, just pulling down on the back of the head. I'm going to find the official judo rules and then go back to practice and triangle everyone I can find.
    "I'm offering straight punch, kick while downed to the ribs or head, and of course- the german suplex...which is one suplex quickly followed by another." - Guerilla Fists

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    Asia's so cute.
    Normally, I'd say I was grappling, but I was taking down and mounting people, and JFS has kindly informed us that takedowns and being mounted are neither grappling nor anti grappling, so I'm not sure what the **** I was doing. Maybe schroedinger's sparring, where it's neither grappling nor anti-grappling until somoene observes it and collapses the waveform, and then I RNC a cat to death.----fatherdog
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