I don't think this is surprising to anyone, but that doesn't mean we should be lenient or have a compliant attitude.
Originally Posted by JohnnyCache
Crack down on the juicers and crack down hard; it'll be rough for a bit as people adjust, but the sport will be better for it. This sort of thing needs to stop.
I think that the fact that its Ken Shamrock makes people care less...what if it was Randy Couture? I know I'd be a lot more affected
you're wrong, you know. it'll be worse because the fighters won't be as good. thats the whole point of juicing. then the general public cries about the skill level going down, blah blah blah... its like with the olympics and record breaking. if athletes don't break records its bad for business, people dont watch as much etc. so athletes juice to stay competitive not only against each other but for the almighty sponsor dollar.
Originally Posted by Conde Koma
the whole thing is laughable. at a certain level, the money involved is too great to risk NOT taking drugs. and the general populace are the ones who make it that way. like that random guy in bigger faster stronger said, you vote with your dollar. people sit around whining about juicing, then go and buy up the merchandise that these athletes sell. wanna get rid of the juicing? ok, lets send all sports back to the amateur level where there is no money anyway. lot less juicing going on there, risk doesnt outweigh the benefit.
people need to pull their heads out of their collective asses when it comes to this kind of stuff.
you would actually be surprised if couture was juicing? really?
Originally Posted by soldiermedic25
My hope is Sakuraba is clean. I think he is! Any Japanese Catch guys on roids? If not, this could be why they don't really make good transitions into UFC or stand-out too much.
Originally Posted by Alex
Logically...no. The shape that he is in and what he does makes him pretty suspect, although I do think that his last couple of fights have show a decrease in his physical skills. But I mean, Ken Shamrock always came across as kind of a douche, and Randy just seems like a better person. I mean, maybe thats more of a study on people skills but I know I'd be pretty disappointed
i could be wrong but i think in japanese orgs they plain dont test. and i think this did have an effect on the pride fighters coming over to the UFC who couldnt use as freely as before.
Originally Posted by shotfghter
I don't know about other people, but I don't watch fights for people to break records. I don't care about anything but watching people fight and fight fair. Going back to amateur level sounds fine to me, if it means a cleaner sport. If all we care about is money, then why not fix fights? Why not just go straight to pro-wrestling or whatever?
Because we want this to be an honest competition. This sort of thing should go without saying.
unfortunately, youre a minority. most people want to watch the best. i do too- i dont have the problem with roids that others seem to though, i can accept them as another facet of the sport. its the only option really.i couldnt care less if someone got busted for roids, he was just unlucky enough to get caught. doesnt mean hes the only one whos guilty of it.
If it's disallowed, it's not really supposed to be part of the sport, now is it? Saying that it's just another facet is the kind of complacency that keeps it going.
I'm not saying that Ken or anyone else is the only one who's guilty of juicing, I think we can all see that this sort of thing is prevalent. My argument is that it SHOULDN'T be, and that we should be actively trying to discourage this sort of behavior.
Since you don't have a problem with it, do you believe that we should lift the ban on PEDs and such? Remove the testing procedures in place? This is an honest question.