Steve Arce credential dispute

**TheRuss** · Posted On: 6/07/2010 9:17pm

Originally Posted by War Wheel

http://www.usja-judo.org/Docs2004/Validation.pdf

· Fees for validation of rank are as follows: $30.00 for 6th through 4th kyu, $35.00 for 3rd through 1st kyu, $125 for Shodan, $150.00 for Nidan, $175.00 for Sandan, etc., (Add $25 for each additional rank.).

And he has to pay for each step?

**sambosteve** · Posted On: 6/07/2010 9:51pm

yes. Nice cash cow huh?

**omoplatypus** · Posted On: 6/07/2010 9:51pm

Originally Posted by TheRuss

And he has to pay for each step?

IIRC, yes he does. otherwise we would have had him put in at his rank and not shodan.

**Matt Phillips** · Posted On: 6/07/2010 10:05pm

Originally Posted by TheRuss

And he has to pay for each step?

I don't believe you have to pay every single step. I just got the total cost for dan 1-4 from Dee Dee and saw that Shodan was all he could afford.

**BKR** · Posted On: 6/08/2010 12:24am

Deleted by Ben. I read the rest of the post. I see that his rank will be validated/issued by USJA once his fees are paid.

That being so, this thread should be over.

I do find Neil's behavior puzzling, though. Maybe he just came to Bullshido to cut loose a little?

Ben Reinhardt

**Mtripp** · Posted On: 6/08/2010 4:35am

You know guys, much as we'd like it, not everyone is going to respond to things the way we think they should. Be nice to get that firmly in our mind.

Secondly, some people get mad when they think their honor is being questioned.

Finally, none of us can read minds, or really know what else is going on when one of these turd bombs lands.

I see a lot or wrath flying about, not very much towards the guy who necro'd this, and a few other threads yesterday. Just saying....

...I'll say more later, but I need to find out the EXACT place to write and post the definitive commentary about this and a few other issues.

**Matt Phillips** · Posted On: 6/08/2010 10:13am

I just wanted to add to this that Sheldon Marr told me he was first introduced to Arce by Leo White who knew him from military Judo. If Leo White says you can play Judo and Neil O says you can not, I suppose you really can play Judo.

**sambosteve** · Posted On: 6/08/2010 11:35am

Originally Posted by BKR

Deleted by Ben. I read the rest of the post. I see that his rank will be validated/issued by USJA once his fees are paid.

That being so, this thread should be over.

I do find Neil's behavior puzzling, though. Maybe he just came to Bullshido to cut loose a little?

Ben Reinhardt

Agreed. Neil tried to drop a bomb about Arce's judo credential and history at Gokor's. There is plenty of evidence to demonstrate he is incorrect. we should consolidate it and then the thread should be done. Any other inquiries for Arce should be done in MABS where this discussion can be properly moderated (and where this should have been in the first place). But, as far as I can tell, this thread should be finished.

Neil has been here on other threads since dropping his "bomb" but has not posted here to comment. I am sure he must be reading it and has unfortunately chosen to stay silent. He's probably enjoying the little **** storm he stirred up. That IMO is not cool and makes his comments seem like they were driven by an agenda and definitely not in line with the way things are done here on BS. I would also assume he does not have the evidence he claims to have had. I don't care who the poster is or how influential they are, but it is a real breach of procedure here to use the forum for such personal grudges. This whole thread was manipulated into being by Neil. I am not above investigating one of our own, but I also not above calling out the accuser as abusing the system here.

**sambosteve** · Posted On: 6/08/2010 11:44am

I would also like to suggest to Arce that he start a thread similar to MTripp's (Odd claim against Mark Tripp's credentials, his response. - No BS MMA and Martial Arts) and plainly simply state his various ranks and credentials with evidence. A cyber resume' as it were. Tripp's thread is a fine example of how to answer to such inquiries. This would go a long way to clearing the air and getting people off his back. Any questions people may have for him could be respectfully posted there.