Thread: Steve Arce credential dispute
6/26/2010 3:08am, #351
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- Aug 2008
I was/am more perturbed by Mr Arces request that a waiver should also include death.This is not normal,(asking for the form to specify it,its normal for the form to have it)and has some unpleasant intonations to it.We all know those types of forms include accidental death,i have signed a couple myself for different reasons,but actually specifying that the form includes death?? sorry,but that deserved to be brought up,and still does not seem to be dealt with,(sorry,but a "scolding"?? for what to me looked like some kind of veiled death threat??plz)
I understand both you and Mr Phillips standing by Mr Arce,you have a right to,for different reasons.However,to date,i see no compelling reason for me to do the same. To be blunt?? He seems to have been damned lucky to have had,and continue to have, people to speak up for him.Any new person who turned up here acting like he has??? pfftt forget about it,they would have had a new one torn.
However,this is MAB's and i do not wish to derail things any more than they already are. I will await the results of the investigation into Mr Arces USMC Judo claims and service.I will also be mightily surprised if Mr Arce can follow the good advice that he has been given by yourself and WW.
Last edited by KiwiPhil889; 6/26/2010 3:12am at . Reason: Editted for clarity of statement, i hope.
6/26/2010 3:12am, #352
I care not one wit if you wish to stand up for him or not. My ONLY connection here, as with Chuck Hardin, was to verify their Judo claims.
The results are in, Steve, like him or not, legit Judoka. Chuck, like him or not, fake Judoka.
What ever else your problem may be, it isn't about Judo because that one is settled."Out of every hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back." -- Hericletus, circa 500 BC
6/26/2010 3:41am, #353
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- Aug 2008
I do not entirely agree with you statement being that your only concern here is his Judo standing,if so then why the scolding?? it neither verifies or refutes any statements here.But thats neither here nor there.
6/26/2010 4:57am, #354
This is not the place to discuss it, though. I simply wanted to make sure that Matt and others understood that there is more than one point of view (widely held) regarding shodan. It's not a simple issue, as you know.
6/26/2010 5:48am, #355
So here is a thought, why not post about your experiences and rank in Martial Arts? Share with us all the things YOU have done. I'd love to hear them.
If not, well, then I guess you have NOTHING important to say."Out of every hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back." -- Hericletus, circa 500 BC
6/26/2010 5:56am, #356
Plainly, Judo people in the US do not like a wrestler coming in, shooting double legs, getting a pin, and blowing through everyone. When the #1 scoring throw in international men's competition was a pick up, we got the new rules creating Greco-Roman Judo.
However, again, if you think it is a difficult choice as to where to put high level wrestlers, I do not. You see I remember a shiai at the Cleveland County Family YMCA in Norman OK, years ago. The Sooner Judo Club thought it would be "fair" (interesting in light of the legalistic crap around here these days) to take talented OU wrestlers and put them in the Novice division. After all, they had NEVER done Judo before.
You know what happened? They were suplexing people on their heads, and cut a path of broken bodies against people who really were beginners. I NEVER saw any of those real beginners in Judo again. So, Ben, do you really think this is a hard call?
I sure don't think it is....."Out of every hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back." -- Hericletus, circa 500 BC
6/26/2010 6:22am, #357
In Japan, as you know, shodan is nothing, really, you have high school kids getting them in two years (or less) if they do well i competition. Really, nothing up to and including sandan is a big deal in Japan.
Personally, I think a shodan should be able to demonstrate normal Judo in an acceptable fashion, not just use their highly developed grappling skills succesfully in a Judo competition. Those Japanese shodans are actually doing Judo, not free style or Greco Roman wrestling.
Your anecdote about the wrestlers at OU sounds familiar. I wonder if it was the same coach I am thinking of? Last name begins with "R" ? He took a fresh from NCAA division 1 nationals national champion in free style to a local shiai in Austin, and he hurt several people. "R" found it to be amusing.
The rest of my reply would belong in another thread, so I'll refrain.
6/26/2010 6:58am, #358
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...so much more interesting than scolding Steve :)
May we have a forum where the only ones allowed to post are Ben and Mark? I would read that daily for the rest of my days.
P.S. Guys, that DOES imply your two have to outlive me.
P.P.S. I have access to Shuai Jiao and BJJ training. I think I might just take my training in that direction just so I can someday batsugan to Shodan.
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6/26/2010 7:40am, #359
6/26/2010 7:56am, #360