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  1. JudoSensei is offline

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    Steve Arce credential dispute

    This topic is hilarious. A guy pulls an April Fools joke and ends up being recognized by Bullshido as a Judo Black Belt.

    I think Bullshido just got Bullshidoed by a Bullshitter.

    Where is the evidence that Mr. Arce is a judo black belt? Oh yeah, it got burned in his house along with all his other important papers. Too bad they couldn't be replaced or verified. Well at least he tried to contact the USJA. If it wasn't for the cost and all the politics involved, I'm sure he would be able to verify his claims.

    Five years ago, Mr. Arce was pulling the same stuff on JudoForum.com and got caught. He also posed for a while as Karo. Our internal investigation included a moderator visiting Gokor and checking out some of his other claims. Nothing could be verified and he provided information that turned out to be false. I have no reason to think he has earned a judo black belt based on my experience with him.

    What happened to that famous Bullshido skepticism?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoSensei View Post
    This topic is hilarious. A guy pulls an April Fools joke and ends up being recognized by Bullshido as a Judo Black Belt.

    I think Bullshido just got Bullshidoed by a Bullshitter.

    Where is the evidence that Mr. Arce is a judo black belt? Oh yeah, it got burned in his house along with all his other important papers. Too bad they couldn't be replaced or verified. Well at least he tried to contact the USJA. If it wasn't for the cost and all the politics involved, I'm sure he would be able to verify his claims.

    Five years ago, Mr. Arce was pulling the same stuff on JudoForum.com and got caught. He also posed for a while as Karo. Our internal investigation included a moderator visiting Gokor and checking out some of his other claims. Nothing could be verified and he provided information that turned out to be false. I have no reason to think he has earned a judo black belt based on my experience with him.

    What happened to that famous Bullshido skepticism?
    Just like you, he's been to my gym. He produced some evidence, I'm done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoSensei View Post
    This topic is hilarious. A guy pulls an April Fools joke and ends up being recognized by Bullshido as a Judo Black Belt.

    I think Bullshido just got Bullshidoed by a Bullshitter.

    Where is the evidence that Mr. Arce is a judo black belt? Oh yeah, it got burned in his house along with all his other important papers. Too bad they couldn't be replaced or verified. Well at least he tried to contact the USJA. If it wasn't for the cost and all the politics involved, I'm sure he would be able to verify his claims.

    Five years ago, Mr. Arce was pulling the same stuff on JudoForum.com and got caught. He also posed for a while as Karo. Our internal investigation included a moderator visiting Gokor and checking out some of his other claims. Nothing could be verified and he provided information that turned out to be false. I have no reason to think he has earned a judo black belt based on my experience with him.

    What happened to that famous Bullshido skepticism?
    Hi Neal:

    Since you've raised a serious issue could you provide us with links to this previous thread on Judo Forum, and all the relevant details concerning this internal investigation, so Steve may respond to you?

    Thanks

    Samuel Browning
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    While we're on the subject, here are the scans of the documents with which the forum was presented:

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    Bullshido skepticism. We usually don't look into anyone until there is indication to do so. Now there is. I suggest that Neil gather the info from Judo forum thread and any other info he wants to present and start a thread in MABS.
    One of the best Bullshido investigations ever written: http://www.bullshido.org/David_Kujawski_Investigation

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    Didn't Mr. Arce provide certificates to the mods which were then verified for authenticity?
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    I hesitated to post in this thread but couldn't help myself...

    Recently, Steve Arce (unexpectedly) cornered me in a local, in-house tournament at my home gym. At the time I had no idea who it was that was giving me direction/s, I just did what he told me to do, and it worked. Mr. Arce's excellent cornering kept me from deviating from the game plan and resulted in a strong win.

    Despite what papers he does or does not have, he was one of the best corners I've ever had in training or in competition.

    I don't know anything about the politics of Judo but I thought I'd share my experience with Mr. Arce, whatever it's worth.
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    This is sour grapes bs. Neil is mad because I beat him in Olympic Judo politics over Ude Garami attacking shoulder joint---which is NOT legal in Olympic Judo. I wrote for Karo as I ask War to write for me here. Karo has had long going personal problems...that were NOT right to talk about...so Neil is making this up to get back at me for losing a political debate regarding IJF Rules. Neil if you want to fight me, then name the place and the time. I don't have to steal certificates and change the names like your drama. Mine are all legit. Coach Marr examined me...graded me...and ranked me 1996 in CO. That was Sah Dan (ROK) Yo Dan/Yon Dan...I have coached for him...and many others in the Judo and Grappling World...so if you want to fight me under ANY rules, just say so.


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    One more thing...Neil is also mad at Gokor for being up for Ku Dan...more politics...more games...more $...I have always said positive things about you Neil...even though you are an elderly person...and even though your jealousy, negativity, ego, etc.,...seep from your pores...
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    Quote Originally Posted by T HUNTER View Post
    One more thing...Neil is also mad at Gokor for being up for Ku Dan...more politics...more games...more $...I have always said positive things about you Neil...even though you are an elderly person...and even though your jealousy, negativity, ego, etc.,...seep from your pores...
    Which organization is Gokor "up for" kudan in?

    Regards,

    Ben Reinhardt
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