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  1. daishi is offline

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    Posted On:
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    True,

    That is where my friend got his certs from...I think what the discussion revolves around is that non-traditional aspect of issuing dan rank for jidokwan when that was not necessarily their original practice. The tumultuous birth/joining of the kwans into Tae Kwon Do perhaps muddied this practice. However, there are Jidokwan practitioners to this day...though some may call them sentimentalists...that hold to the original art with the addition of dan system as per common pratice in MA's in North America. This is more or less the gist of what my buddy told me who is a sandan in Jidokwan in Ohio.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daishi View Post
    True,

    That is where my friend got his certs from...
    Well, if it was thru GM Cole, they are legitimate Jidokwan.

    Quote Originally Posted by daishi View Post
    I think what the discussion revolves around is that non-traditional aspect of issuing dan rank for jidokwan when that was not necessarily their original practice.
    Issuing of dan certificates is traditional (if you can call anything less than 70 years "traditional.") in the karate-based Kwans which later became Taekwondo. Each of the pre-Kukkiwon Kwans issued certificates. That was one of the problems leading up to the Korean-government backed KTA (and later the Kukkiwon) issuing official dan ranking.


    Quote Originally Posted by daishi View Post
    However, there are Jidokwan practitioners to this day...though some may call them sentimentalists...that hold to the original art with the addition of dan system as per common pratice in MA's in North America. This is more or less the gist of what my buddy told me who is a sandan in Jidokwan in Ohio.
    Many Taekwondoin, myself included, are proud of their Kwan heritage. But the Kwan-jang of each Kwan pledged allegiance and support for the Kukkiwon.

    Your friend is a sam-dan (3rd) or a sa-dan (4th)? San is the Japanese pronunciation.
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    He uses Japanese pronunciation because the martial art group/peeps he associates with now use mostly Japanese pronunciation. We do have a TKD/krotty bastard "style" where they use both terminology, but as far as my buddy's Jidokwan ranking he just says sandan..Jap pronunciation/, meaning.
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    My master is a 9th dan from the Jidokwan. It`s a nice piece of history and interesting to know your lineage, but Kukkiwon issues poom/dan ranks...end of story. Anything else is a club dan/kwan dan and means nothing outside your dojang.
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    Posted On:
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    I am pretty sure Chung Do Kwan still issues their own dan certificates and they are recognised by the KKW.
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    Jidokwan Dan

    Yes, Jidokwan Taekwondo does issue Dan certificates. They operate as a fraternal order within the Kukkiwon, but offer separate certificates. From what I understand, you need to have a strong connection to Jidokwan for them to issue promotions.

    My 5th Dan Jidokwan was obtained in Korea at the Jidokwan office.
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    Bppom Dan - Deputy Black Belt

    Quote Originally Posted by artiemask View Post
    Has any ever seen a poom certificate written for adults.
    A friend just received such a promotion. Tried to give good council but
    as he told me Jidokwan federation Issued the paperwork. Now correct me if im wrong but I didnt think jidokwan issued dan certificates.
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    Kukkiwon (WTF) Poom Dans (Bo Dan) are usually given to children black belts in Korean Tae Kwon Do dojangs. It is a child's black belt until they reach the age of 16. Poom Dans can be awarded up to 4th Poom. Once the student reaches the age of 16 and tests the student will receive a dan certification, but for a child that has reached 4th poom, he or she will have to wait until the age of 25 before testing for 5th Dan.

    In the U.S., many Korean & American masters use the poom belt as a probationary black belt for students including adults until they are ready to test for 1st Dan. It all depends on the master and the dojang.
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    Robert Olah

    Thread necro.......

    Can anyone here check Robert A. Olah's claim to 9th Dan rank in Jidowan? Also his HKD rank?

    BS thead on this cat, claiming 10 x 10th Dan, 14 x 9th Dan, 8 x 8th Dan and a whole lot more......

    http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...=111455&page=1

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    I don't know if this will help anymore, and as this is my first post I probably lack credibility but here goes...

    Jidokwan has been absorbed into the kukkiwon and largely resembles the WTF. When the IJF dissolved we had to adopt a new set of forms. All of the belt ranks and certificates I earned through that system are untraceable to me (very humbling). Soon after it was time for me to leave. In the absence of a concrete curriculum my school joined a new organization and adhered to a new brand of mcdojoism.

    It may be that there is no way to confirm whether he is in fact a 9th degree black belt. Through the IJF 8 years ago I believe there were approx. 4 10th (they were super old) and MAYBE 10 9th degree blackbelts. IJF requirements stated that it would take something like 25 years AFTER reaching blackbelt to acquire a 9th degree, he would also not be able to surpass his masters rank (duh) AND pass certain tests AT the IJF (in Maryland I think)

    While some still practice Jidokwan for sentiment (as my school continued to do for a short period of time) I would strongly advise anyone to be wary of anyone calling themselves Jidokwan unless you WANT to study WTF ATA style tae kwon do.
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    11/27/2011 6:24pm

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    On another note Robert Olahs claim to that high of rank in that many martial arts is staggering. He appears to be living the lives of several fake MA teachers with blown up resumes o.O
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