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    Quote Originally Posted by CarlosJesena View Post
    What I meant was that pound per pound, they are not very strong.
    In case you didn't notice, there are no weight classes in bar fights.

    Quote Originally Posted by CarlosJesena View Post
    Size =/= Strength and it's been proven.
    Actually, IIRC, the opposite has been proven - maximal strength scales linearly with myofibrillar cross-sectional area. (EDIT: First few Google Scholar hits have impressive citation counts - see Ikai, "Calculation of muscle strength per unit cross-sectional area of human muscle by means of ultrasonic measurement")

    Quote Originally Posted by CarlosJesena View Post
    Good CNS = Strength.
    Which you get from... lifting weights! Which bodybuilders do more than the vast majority of non-bodybuilders.

    Quote Originally Posted by CarlosJesena View Post
    My 116lbs friend can squat 280 lbs.
    Your 116lbs friend has an impressive squat for his size, but I can still bench more than he can squat - or lift him over my head and press him for reps. If he wants to beat my ass decisively at rock climbing, marathoning, or Wilks score, he's got it nailed. If, however, he wants to beat my ass in a fight (I'm told I'm kind of an asshole), he'd be well advised to put on a few pounds of muscle. Or train martial arts, but really, who does that?
    Last edited by TheRuss; 6/01/2010 8:44am at .
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRuss View Post
    Yeah, but in case you didn't notice, there are no weight classes in bar fights. Your 116lbs friend has an impressive squat for his size, but I can still lift him over my head and press him for reps.
    ... Good point. :ninjafigh
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    Quote Originally Posted by CarlosJesena View Post
    ... Good point. :ninjafigh
    Revised the post a bit since then. Give it another look?
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    Downstreet on the flip-flop, timepants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRuss View Post
    Revised the post a bit since then. Give it another look?
    Oh. Damn, srsly? Well, the stregnth coach we work with was telling us something like that. Sorry, just sourcing an authority.

    edit: By "something like that" I meant:

    Size=/= strength and you can gain strength without size.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CarlosJesena View Post
    Oh. Damn, srsly? Well, the stregnth coach we work with was telling us something like that. Sorry, just sourcing an authority.
    Well, what he may have meant is that it doesn't work the other way around:

    6. A wide variation in the ratio of strength to muscle cross-sectional area was observed. This variability may be a result of anatomical differences between subjects or may result from differences in the proportions of different fibre types in the muscles. The variation between subjects is such that strength is not a useful predictive index of muscle cross-sectional area.
    -Maughan et al., "Strength and cross-sectional area of human skeletal muscle"

    That's why I usually phrase things like this:

    Quote Originally Posted by TheRuss View Post
    Who would win - me right now, or me with ten extra pounds of muscle?
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    ^^^ Fucking beat me to it!
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    Getting big is all well and good but there is no way you are going to get bigger than everybody. Same with your fight training. Simple as that.
    otherwise if they dont fall down hit them more.
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    OK I am going to give you a lot of advice here in one statement.

    You are a product of your training.

    If you train with just getting in the cage in mind then you are going to resort to tactics for facing off against an equally matched opponent in the cage. Your training will be focused on that intent. MMA specific training will resort in you applying the techniques that you feel are best suited for you. The boxing combos did well for you to stay off damage and keep your attacker at bay.

    Your faith in your ability to handle the clinch was what failed you. Obviously you do not train to use that area for your advantage. Trainers who do not understand Judo will say that those techniques are not useful in the cage.
    This is true. More often than not people with a rudimentary knowledge of Judo will fail more often the succeed. Therefor in their mind Judo sucks.

    In class when you spar when you are against bigger partners then you will need to change your approach and techniques. Focusing on defense and not getting into bad positions or getting into horrible positions and working your ass off to get out from underneath the behemoth. Think of these instances as a time when you are at work and look to place your partner in a controlled position. Which is what you should be doing with anyone really of you are training MMA but I digress.

    As a quick technical exchange here is a sequence that I teach and have used many many times.

    Hands up to defend
    Range gets closed by attacker
    Clinch
    Hip toss
    Knee on face
    ude garami with a wirst lock added
    roll them over to their stomach
    keep knee on the back of the neck to control
    crank arm and bend wrist anytime the resist
    Judo is only gentle for the guy on top.
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