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    Quote Originally Posted by Hedgehogey View Post
    It's really hard to get any kind of upper body grip vs DHG.
    Really? Wow, hope I never run into anybody playing DHG!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega the Merciless View Post
    Okay, here's my little lecture about this: DHG (as it will now be known) is just a half guard transition. Like anything else it's learning when and where to hang out with it. I would not suggest anybody hang out in the DHG. Wait for attackers to put themselves in it. Hell I have a guard I call the spiderman guard which has everything to do with what I'm doing to aggravate the top person as he tries to pass my guard. I wouldn't recommend it for anybody. Lockdown, half butterfly guard, DHG they're all just sub-positions. I know it goes without saying to most of you but when you put them all together you'll have a decent half guard game. I had one of my fighters become obsessed over this move to the point he decided it would be a good move to pull in his fight, against a Div 1 wrestler, against the cage, without knowing the back door maneuver from DHG. The result was him being tapped with a Darce.

    So, in conclusion, let your opponent dictate on whether you play the DHG (Usually when they pass high) before trying to do this in competition.
    Thank you, that makes sense to me.

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    i train with stephan and it works for him but it might not for everyone

    i think people with long legs it works well for Glover as well but not for short stalky people

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    Quote Originally Posted by van-bjj View Post
    i train with stephan and it works for him but it might not for everyone

    i think people with long legs it works well for Glover as well but not for short stalky people
    uhhh I'd disagree. As a relatively short legged person it works wonders for me. You don't need to figure four their leg or use the lockdown to make it work. It works well for Jeff Glover because he's got great hip movement and he's really flexible allowing him to use his long legs to leverage up under his opponent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Koresh Jr. View Post
    uhhh I'd disagree. As a relatively short legged person it works wonders for me. You don't need to figure four their leg or use the lockdown to make it work. It works well for Jeff Glover because he's got great hip movement and he's really flexible allowing him to use his long legs to leverage up under his opponent.
    you just said it in your statement use his long legs

    Stephan also has long legs as well

    True it can work for anyone but it is more ideal for long legged people

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    Quote Originally Posted by van-bjj View Post
    you just said it in your statement use his long legs

    Stephan also has long legs as well

    True it can work for anyone but it is more ideal for long legged people
    False, I said his flexibility allows him to use his long legs. Think about the position you're underneath one leg scrunched up. It can be used by anyone, it just is better for people who have the hip movement off their back for it. Ideal has leg length has little to do with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by van-bjj View Post
    you just said it in your statement use his long legs

    Stephan also has long legs as well

    True it can work for anyone but it is more ideal for long legged people
    Stubby legs is better for any kind of half-guard, really. Makes a smaller gap they have to get their leg out of and, for DHG specifically, the shorter (and more flexible/dextrous) your legs the easier it's going to be put either hook in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega the Merciless View Post
    We've had Glover in our gym doing this stuff. Not a big fan of it but some people like playing that game. If guys don't remember not to get flat or over extend their arms and necks (which is hard not to do) you can get into some serious trouble.
    Did you get to roll with that squirrely little monkey?

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    Hi guys,
    I try use a lot of this deep 1/2 guard stuff. Its great against intermediate guys as they generally dont know to work against it. Against a higher level of opp it does present big risks and often involves a scramble or 2 to get out. I wouldnt reccomend it unless you have a good understanding of escapes. Darce's, leglocks etc and a strong basic guard to start with. It does work in mma but it isnt a place to wallow.

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    I've been playing with this for about 2-3 months now. I have short legs but good coordination and hip flexibility. I was getting choked constantly but i fixed that after a while. The key is it doesn't really work until you can comfortable roll either direction. Basically you need to be able to do the Old School or the New York. If you can only do one you're fucked until you can do both. I don't mean you have to do those two sweeps in particular. but you DO have to be able to sweep the guy both backwards and forwards.

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