5/26/2010 1:54pm, #81
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5/26/2010 2:03pm, #82
5/26/2010 2:23pm, #83
5/26/2010 2:37pm, #84
Second, I gave up caring one wit long ago about little chihuahua's yipping at their monitor and trying to sound like a big dog; so the STFU thing is to laugh.
But, I am waiting to see a single bit of evidence Bruce Lee EVER had a Judo gi on and did Judo randori let alone fought at a shiai. If not, then the Judo claim is as fatuous as your defense of it."Out of every hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back." -- Hericletus, circa 500 BC
5/26/2010 3:00pm, #85
Ok, lets try just a little bit of logic here.
Take ANYONE, let them train in ANYTHING at College MA class, then come in here and claim to be an expert in said martial art....
...you guys would be all over them. No WAY you'd let it pass.
Now, here is a simple bit of simple logic. If Bruce Lee had some real Judo skills by the time he did the Green Hornet, where was it on the show? ZERO Judo throws in ANY of the fights. In fact, Van Williams attempted more Judo in the series than Bruce did. They are all there for the world to see. Then look a bit closer and notice how many times the "bad guy" on the Green Hornet is Gene LeBell. I will leave it to you to connect the dots here.
Judo training at the internment camps? You really want to keep selling that one? It took months of hard work to get the Kodokan reopened after Japan lost the war and only then when Resi Kano promised that Judo would only be taught as a Sport, NOT a method of Combat. In as much as this was NOT the case before the end of the war, you want to try and sell us that the interred Japanese were allowed to train in a combat art? Hardly.
Again, the people you speak of likely knew a throw or two, likely had seen a Judo class. However to either infer or imply this equals skill in Judo is both an insult to the people who really did master it; and to THE PEOPLE WHO REALLY DID EXPOSE BRUCE TO GRAPPLING AND JUDO, NAMELY WALLY JAY AND GENE LEBELL.
I know both of those men personally, and both men have told me their relationship with Bruce, and what they taught him. As of yet none of those stories are spoken of, including in the book people think I have never seen or read.
Now some of you can continue flex for your monitor, it is to laugh. I will be in NC at the World's Greatest Judo Camp. Come talk smack to my face or YOU shut the **** up cause internet posing is for punks.
Fact: Not a single movement in any way looking like Judo in "Bruce Lee's fighting method." That series was to be the manual for people to train like Bruce.
Fact: Yes, there are drawings of submissions in the Tao. These were copied from Gene LeBell books that Bruce bought. However, there is NO Judo concepts there. No closing the distance to clinch to takedown.
Fact: YES, Larry Hartsell did bring grappling to JKD. He deserves ALL the credit for "putting it together" in the JKD context. However, the simple truth is the vast majority of people thought grappling a waste of time till the Gracies came along.
Fact: The Lebell story (where he pounded Bruce) was covered up and hidden for years. It wasn't until Ed Parker finally put it in print that others did as well. Gene to this day makes light of it, but the story of him carrying Bruce around the set came AFTER the fight.
I can go on and on. Because while all of you are reading history, I am remembering it because I was there. So it really doesn't matter to me what you believe...
...because belief has NOTHING to do with the truth."Out of every hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back." -- Hericletus, circa 500 BC
5/26/2010 3:03pm, #86
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It is NOT my job to disprove them. Do you understand that now or should I try again with crayon?
But, I am waiting to see a single bit of evidence Bruce Lee EVER had a Judo gi on and did Judo randori let alone fought at a shiai. If not, then the Judo claim is as fatuous as your defense of it.
5/26/2010 3:08pm, #87
5/26/2010 3:23pm, #88
You've proven on multiple occasions to be unable to grasp basic logical process. This is just a continuation.
Further, I have not defended the Judo claim. You once again are unable to grasp basic logic. I have merely demonstrated how your counterargument is a level of bullshit I do not expect from a grown man who claims to understand what he's talking about.
Because those are the only two relevant pieces of information to this discussion.
The rest is just obfuscation.:spam4:
5/26/2010 5:30pm, #89
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You need to take a deep breath man. I offer you detailed specific evidence yet you still claim,"But it's not in Bruce Lee's Fighting Methods." Okay you are correct sir, congratulations. Now can YOU do the simple task of going to your local bookstore and look at the BOOK I USED AS EVIDENCE because there are at least 4 pictures of Bruce with a Gi.
Now you make false claims that I or anyone else was saying Bruce tried to pass himself off as a Judo master or competed. These are all you buddy because nobody even said anything close to that. All I said was the Bruce loved Judo and grappling.
Now you challenge the validity of teaching Judo at internment camps? Wow you really are a stubborn mule aren't you. Look it up because you sound ignorant, what are you a Japanese historian? Dude my wife is from Japan and even she knows Judo because they teach it to you in elementary school and high school.
Now here is the best part. You are now challenging people to come meet you at a Judo tournament, LOMFL. Are you serious? You have a Ken Shamrock complex or is it the steroids? All I did was make a claim backed by concrete evidence that Bruce loved Judo and studied officially for 3 months and unofficially for an unspecified amount of time. Seriously man nobody wants to fight except you, I just want to prove something I know is right.
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5/26/2010 5:41pm, #90
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Pgs 182 and 183 from Regards From The Dragon Seattle by David Tadman
The picture of Bruce practicing the throw is with Fred Sato, who is an instructor at Seattle Dojo.
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