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    Quote Originally Posted by BigJayBoogie View Post
    This is so true. What Bruce Lee did grow the popularity of MA and was an ambassador of MA. He felt that all fighting forms had value....

    of course like most good things...people find a way to capitalize and turn it into a profit...thus the marketing pitch..."hey...you wanna be able to fight like bruce lee...get to a mcdojo SUNDAY! SUNDAY! SUNDAY!"

    Just like all of the folks running to law school to be lawyers within one year of LA Law hitting the air waves or Navy enlistment going up after top gone...the sheep can not help themeselves.
    This is what is commonly called "a fatuous assertion."

    Lets see what happens in TCMA schools across the country after the new Karate Kid movie hits, ok?
    "Out of every hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back." -- Hericletus, circa 500 BC

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigJayBoogie View Post
    This is so true. What Bruce Lee did grow the popularity of MA and was an ambassador of MA. He felt that all fighting forms had value....

    of course like most good things...people find a way to capitalize and turn it into a profit...thus the marketing pitch..."hey...you wanna be able to fight like bruce lee...get to a mcdojo SUNDAY! SUNDAY! SUNDAY!"

    Just like all of the folks running to law school to be lawyers within one year of LA Law hitting the air waves or Navy enlistment going up after top gone...the sheep can not help themeselves.
    Actually i have allways thought it was the "absorb what is usefull reject what is usless" nonsense that has done the most damage.

    It just seems to give everyone the excuse to do two weeks of five different martial arts bang it all together and start your own style.

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    It is definitely true that's been used as an excuse for backyard mma and living room ninjery everywhere, but most of those sorts of people would've done it anyways I think.

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    MTripp, you are one really stupid person. Ignorant of Nikkei history, martial arts history, ww2 history. You just go on and on hysterically with no end. When someone tells you to STFU, they are doing you a favor so you stop embarrassing yourself.

    By the way, when you counter a claim with a counter-claim, you also have to support your arguments with evidence. That's called debate.

    Judo at Heart Mountain Internment Camp, circa 1943
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mtripp View Post
    Judo training at the internment camps? You really want to keep selling that one? It took months of hard work to get the Kodokan reopened after Japan lost the war and only then when Resi Kano promised that Judo would only be taught as a Sport, NOT a method of Combat. In as much as this was NOT the case before the end of the war, you want to try and sell us that the interred Japanese were allowed to train in a combat art? Hardly.

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    I don't think he'll care much, he's long since left the site.

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    Bruce Lee is nowhere near the godfather of MMA. MMA is what happens when a striker gets tired of being tackled or grappler wants to be able to fight without committing to the ground, and it's happened everywhere from 15th century German Ringen am Schwert which mixed grappling and armed combat to Ancient Greek Pankration. MMA isn't anything new, it's just been found again.

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    I am going to learn that technique and dominate my enemys with it!

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    Firstly, great work on the thread Necro.

    Secondly, There's only one Bruce Lee Fact I never never get tired of hearing:



    Thirdly, Anyone got a (semi)comprehensive list of those people who are documented as bringing many styles together before Bruce did?

    I've cut & pasted a few suggestions below, from earlier in the thread. If we can get it on file, we can just roll it out next time someone (like one of my current instructors) rolls out the "Bruce invented MMA" line.

    Edward Barton Wright
    Waldemar Santana
    Jon Bluming
    Don Draeger
    Masahiko Kimura
    the Emperados
    Chan Heung
    Earle Liederman
    Percy Longhurst


    When life gives you lemons... BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!!

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    "To be defeated by your enemies, to be driven by them from the field of battle, and to hear the lamentations of your women." ermghoti

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    Well Jigoro Kano set up study groups and institutes for Wrestling, Boxing, Karate, Kendo and Aikdio at the Kodokan with a view to integrating them into Judo.

    He eventually envisioned something like combat sambo with kicks, punches, takedowns and ground work, but they didn't manage to come up with a way of sparring with striking in a satisfactorily safe way and the projects were mothballed and never revived after the war.

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    So, List now includes Jigoro Kano:

    Edward Barton Wright
    Jigoro Kano
    Waldemar Santana
    Jon Bluming
    Don Draeger
    Masahiko Kimura
    the Emperados
    Chan Heung
    Earle Liederman
    Percy Longhurst


    When life gives you lemons... BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!!

    "what's the best thing about aikido then?"
    "To be defeated by your enemies, to be driven by them from the field of battle, and to hear the lamentations of your women." ermghoti

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