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  1. BaronVonDingDong is offline
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    It's been a style for over a century - it's called Bartitsu.
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    MMA is not and will never will be a style.

    If you look at the progression of Japanese MA you will see that jujutsu was an all incorporating style, striking, take downs, submissions and weapons.

    They then broke it down and started to become experts in one particular area, Karate, Judo and Kendo. Each style then focused in an area that they deemed more important than the other. BJJ did it with Judo by focusing on the ground work.

    Look at whats going on now with MMA people are now trying to find the amalgam of styles that best fits them. BJ does it with boxing and BJJ. GSP with Karate and wrestling. Fedor with Sambo/Judo and haymakers.

    A style of MMA would constitute one man or group defining a skill set that they will teach to everyone and get good results. This then would have to be accepted by the community at large. This is not going to happen because everyone will have their own take on what will work better. Secondly it would be impossible to train such a wide variety of techniques and be proficient with any of them. This leads us back to the initial separation in Japanese MA.

    Now certain academies will have their own system that they feel is best suited for MMA and will teach the art forms that they believe will give the best chance for the fighters to win. That being said they will also not restrict themselves to just one coach or a single methodology because they know that other fighters are training with different base arts. They must continually adapt and refine their skills in order to remain relevant in the fight game.

    Look at Grace JJ and Miletich for example. Both places were at the top of the fight game at one point, one based in JJ and the other in wrestling. Both systems were left behind in modern MMA competition because they failed to adapt and change. They became stagnant.

    MMA is not a style but a philosophy. No one man can teach everything and know everything there is to know about fighting. If you think you do then you are thinking wrong. If you know you do then you need to get professional help.

    I hate to say this but Bruce Lee said it best "Be like water."
    Judo is only gentle for the guy on top.
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    well said

    the range of techniques is too big and the rules offer too much freedom to create something you could call a style. The stylistic difference between mma fighters is bigger than in any other combat sport and I like it that way.
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    "A style of MMA would constitute one man or group defining a skill set that they will teach to everyone and get good results. This then would have to be accepted by the community at large. This is not going to happen because everyone will have their own take on what will work better."

    You mean kind of like how BJJ is it's own style? There are many practitioners that learn this one style yet have their own take on what works better for them such as open or closed guard, triangles and chokes vs arm locks and butterfly sweeps. Boxing is it's own style and is taught basically the same way in most gyms but the practitioners adapt the style to what works best for them. Why couldn't MMA be the same way. Of course some coaches might teach it differently but it's the student who makes it his own. The argument doesn't really hold up if you ask me.
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    The point you are missing is that each style has a base set of things that define it as that style. While there is always exceptions to a rule you can watch a practioner of a style and recognize that base art form.

    MMA is just the all encompassing area that any martial art will fit in. While BJJ and Judo have striking as part of the MA it is not what defines that style or system, just like Karate has trips and take downs again not what defines that style of MA.
    Judo is only gentle for the guy on top.
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     Style: Judo/Roadwork

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    I've been wondering if MMA is definable as a "style" at all - isn't it more of a pragmatic approach to a set of rules?

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    Posted On:
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     Style: Kendo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach Josh View Post
    If you look at the progression of Japanese MA you will see that jujutsu was an all incorporating style, striking, take downs, submissions and weapons.

    They then broke it down and started to become experts in one particular area, Karate, Judo and Kendo. Each style then focused in an area that they deemed more important than the other.
    That's an inaccurate history of pretty much everything you listed there. "Jujutsu" isn't a style at all, it's just a useful term to use to describe some of the empty-handed fighting that people used to learn. They had lots of family styles, a better term for what you are thinking of might be "sogo bujutsu", where bushi would learn a wide variety of fighting skills including spear, bow, sword, grappling, swimming, etc. But karate didn't come out of any of that, it's a relatively modern thing in Japan adapted from Okinawan styles. There were thousands of family schools, teaching various types of jujutsu and kenjutsu. Modern judo and kendo are derived from a small subset of those. Kendo has quite the tortuous history being changed by government involvement both Japanese and US.

    Lots of people are familiar with how Kano developed Judo out of the koryu jujutsu that he had studied as a young man. The history of kendo is a little less straightforward. If you are interested you can read a discussion of it here.
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     Style: slackerjitsu

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    imo Coach Josh is on the right track. You could be an MMA fighter and only use chinese styles of fighting. Grappling style, boxing, and mainly kicking styles.

    The "gym" I used to train at started as primarily BJJ. Most people had a different backgrounds and shared. Currently there are qualified instructors for BJJ, Muay Thai, Kickboxing, and Kali. The basic idea is that MMA competitors will train in all the styles and then take the MMA classes to integrate the styles into fighting "style" that works best for them as individuals.

    edit: Judo guys come by too.
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    Posted On:
    5/18/2010 4:47pm


     Style: Shaolin, Goshin Jujitsu

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    MMA is a competative sport defined by a ruleset. Because of that, I doubt we'll have the division / clarification you're discussing. The problem is, if someone devises new, high percentage moves, or ways to finish a fight successfully, no modern MMA fighter is going to ignore it because it's not 'pure' to his style.

    Whatever works under the ruleset will be adapted into the mainstream. We've already seen this from the onset of the early UFC's. Anyone who tries to keep a 'style' of MMA 'pure' to the exclusion of successful, workable, techniques will be left behind.

    You mentioned Kano's founding of Judo as an analogy, but for me it fails, because the way Kano revolutionised his Jujitsu was to introduce competition under a ruleset. This necessarilly dictates a new paradigm to the practitioners of a sport / art and it's evolution. Competition induces 'function over form' rather than 'form over function'.

    At the moment, we still have people coming to the octagon as a Jujitsu masters or heavy handed kickboxers, but you can bet no matter what their primary art is, they're not ignorant about the other factors involved in MMA. Maybe, as people say, the ruleset allows for too much diversity for anyone to claim complete mastery of everything in MMA.

    However, I think we're already seeing a trend towards well rounded fighters like GSP and BJ. When the time comes, what's to stop them becoming well rounded coaches and teaching everything? I'm not saying people won't specialise, or train under different people, but I am saying that the highest percentage moves, and the best way to train them, given the particular ruleset being used, are likely to dominate.

    I dobt we'll see a lot of 'styles' of MMA arising for the same reason we won't see lots of 'styles' of boxing arising. If every promotion had drastically different rulesets, then maybe.

    Besides, I don't see why MMA can't be considered a style in and of itself.

    And anyway, Pankration. Ancient Greece for the win!!!
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    5/18/2010 5:13pm

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    Neil you get what I am saying in that jujutsu was the term for the styles that were practiced before modern MA. I know that it was a family name with ryu or something attached to it to further describe it.

    Painting with a broad brush in the use of the term of jujustu.
    Judo is only gentle for the guy on top.
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