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  1. George-Jitsu is offline

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    5/17/2010 10:13pm

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    Will MMA have it's own MA style one day?

    I know this subject may have been done to death but I'll ask anyway. Does anyone besides me think that someone should come along and finally create an actual style out of MMA, or do you all think it's better to still have all styles taught separately? It seems like no one has considered this simply because they just want to be like everyone else and haven't questioned the validity of how mma is trained. In my personal opinion, I think that some kind of curriculum needs to be created for MMA, taking all the best techniques and discarding all the BS, kind of like Kano did with judo.

    It also seems to be a big inconvenience to train in such a way because it's very expensive and time consuming to be running around training with different instructors in different styles. Case in point, kickboxing is it's own style of fighting now and it's a combination of several fighting styles. You don't see kick-boxers running around to a boxing school, then over to a muay thai school and then over to a tae kwon do school do you? Kosen judo is a form of judo that has a very extensive ground game but also teaches all the throws as well for a well balanced style.

    You don't see a wrestler going to a class only about pinning and then going to another coach to learn how to wizzer. The reason you don't is because that would be so time consuming that he would take forever to learn how to wrestle and would not be able to put the techniques together. I feel like when everything is separated, you're going to be learning a set of techniques that may work in the specific style but may be dangerous when other styles factor in.

    I understand the need for specialization but that's like saying because a certain boxer has a great left hook, he should teach an hour class dedicated to throwing the left hook, and then another hour dedicated to the uppercut by an uppercut expert. How many different kinds of punches are there in boxing? About ten? Should we separate all the different punches punches into 10 hours each day to create a "complete" boxer? I know this example is kind of extreme but I'm just making a point. Your thoughts.
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    I think most MMA gyms have a specialist in certain arts that teach each under a certain ruleset, then have classes to put that together. I think people feel the techniques are best learn pure, then put together.
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    MMA is already taught as a style in the sense that there are MMA classes teaching MMA proven techniques. My old BJJ club taught stand up and takedowns in the MMA class, with limited ground work because he reasoned if you want to learn groundwork you should come to a BJJ class. It was under the same roof, the MMA and BJJ classes back to back.

    Your examples are not only extreme, but ridiculous.
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    Yeah, & besides the fact that schools that teach both karate & jujutsu, or judo & boxing/kickboxing are quite common, or like my gym which has Judo, BJJ, boxing and muay thai.
    The school that only teaches one particular style is rather rare these days.
    "Judo is a study of techniques with which you may kill if you wish to kill, injure if you wish to injure, subdue if you wish to subdue, and, when attacked, defend yourself" - Jigoro Kano (1889)
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    MMA is far too big for any one individual, the charm is people being forced to specialize and then comparing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hesperus View Post
    MMA is far too big for any one individual, the charm is people being forced to specialize and then comparing.
    +1

    IMO there are just so many forms of COMPLETE stand-up, and likewise for grappling, that it would be just to watered down to try to have one instructor teach you snippets of boxing, muay thai, sambo, bjj, judo, wrestling, and then every single technique that sometimes works in mma, from all the traditional styles.
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    This topic has always interested me as well.

    The general concensus is that it's best to develop your individual skills as much as possible separately, then mix them together to develop your MMA skills. I personally subscribe to this method, because I feel like it's too difficult to learn everything all at once. Especially when you're new, MMA is such a clusterfuck. At my gym, we've got separate classes for Sanda, Boxing, JiuJitsu, and MMA. Some guys only come to the MMA class, and most of those guys suck at everything. It seems like they barely progress, since they've got all of this stuff shoved down their throat at once. On the other hand, those that supplement their MMA training by taking kickboxing and JiuJitsu classes on the side seem to be growing a lot faster.

    Then again, at another gym I occassionally visit/have a lot of friends at lives by the opposite philosophy. While they do have some individual striking and grappling classes, the style they teach over there is MMA. Like a fair amount of their guys, who are successful in MMA competition, can't even open guard without punches. (Lol, I barely can either, but that's another topic entirely...) Most of their guys would get destroyed in kickboxing competition as well, but again, they do really well for themselves in MMA. In fact, that school rarely drops fights in local competition and they've produced successful big-league MMA fighters, and a top 10 WEC fighter.

    It's really tough to say which way is 'right.'
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    Quote Originally Posted by strikistanian View Post
    This topic has always interested me as well.

    The general concensus is that it's best to develop your individual skills as much as possible separately, then mix them together to develop your MMA skills. I personally subscribe to this method, because I feel like it's too difficult to learn everything all at once. Especially when you're new, MMA is such a clusterfuck. At my gym, we've got separate classes for Sanda, Boxing, JiuJitsu, and MMA. Some guys only come to the MMA class, and most of those guys suck at everything. It seems like they barely progress, since they've got all of this stuff shoved down their throat at once. On the other hand, those that supplement their MMA training by taking kickboxing and JiuJitsu classes on the side seem to be growing a lot faster.

    Then again, at another gym I occassionally visit/have a lot of friends at lives by the opposite philosophy. While they do have some individual striking and grappling classes, the style they teach over there is MMA. Like a fair amount of their guys, who are successful in MMA competition, can't even open guard without punches. (Lol, I barely can either, but that's another topic entirely...) Most of their guys would get destroyed in kickboxing competition as well, but again, they do really well for themselves in MMA. In fact, that school rarely drops fights in local competition and they've produced successful big-league MMA fighters, and a top 10 WEC fighter.

    It's really tough to say which way is 'right.'
    The obvious point,to me at least, is that the guys at your gym who suck at everything are training less. yeah?? Or are there more MMA classes?? Basically, the other guys (who appear to be progressing quicker) are doing MMA classes and extra juijits or kickboxing classes,so more classes = more accomplished?

    I think theres too much to learn personally for someone to learn everything. At my club?? the MMA class teaches all levels i.e stand-up,takedown and ground. I imagine (but can only guess) that someone who trains specifically in one style,standing,takedown or ground, would absolutley whip me in their style,even if the training time is the same because they prolly know MORE techniques and have spent more time drilling those techniques,while i was off learning something totally diff that class.
    Last edited by KiwiPhil889; 5/18/2010 12:04am at . Reason: for clarity....hopefully lol
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    5/18/2010 12:48am


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    MMA is already being taught as a style, just not a universal style. Every MMA class would slightly differ depending on the instructor's background and preference. Theres plenty of martial arts dojo that teaches MMA classes as a style.
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    Posted On:
    5/18/2010 7:17am

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    There are already MMA fighting systems out there. Miletich Fighting System, Gaidojitsu, and likely others I'm not aware of.

    As the sport grows, I'm sure there will emerge a variety of new "styles" (i.e. branding) that will market themselves as complete fighting systems.
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