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    Where the **** are our CMA heds?
    I've never heard of Wong Chung Yoh. The timing is a bit early for xingyi under the name xingyi, and it's cutting it fairly close to the first documented evidence of xingyi's immediate predecessor, but who knows?
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    Now that you mention it, I heard that Hsing-i/Xing I (at least as it is known today) originated in Hubei province along with Baguazhang and Taijiquan (however, this could merely be part of the "oral tradition" which so far has proven to be inaccurate.)

    However, it is entirely possible as Jack Rusher suggests, that this is a potential predcestor, or at least an art that contributed it's martial theories.) This may warrant a bit more digging, since it might benifit my own little research project.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Rusher View Post
    I've never heard of Wong Chung Yoh. The timing is a bit early for xingyi under the name xingyi, and it's cutting it fairly close to the first documented evidence of xingyi's immediate predecessor, but who knows?
    Where would be a good place to start looking to track Mr. Wong down?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DerAuslander108 View Post
    Where would be a good place to start looking to track Mr. Wong down?
    Fukien Province's records archive. I have been unable to find any specific web site, but then again, that could be crappy searching on my part. (That, and google is currently having a bitch-fest with Chinese government.)

    Fukien-American Association would be a good set of people to contact. They can at least point you towards the right direction.
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    It would also be of great benefit if I had actual Chinese characters for Wong Chong Yoh's name.

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    Here's Chatan Yara. 北谷屋良

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    Feel free to correct me on this, but it is also significant whether or not Wong's name is pronounced the same in Mandarin and Fukien dialects. It might be pronounced somewhat differently if we take that into consideration.

    Too many intricacies for a non-Chinese speaker. I think Sinophile had access to some quality academic resources.

    The surname WONG can either be , or 王, or something else alltogether.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DerAuslander108 View Post
    Where would be a good place to start looking to track Mr. Wong down?
    As you've since mentioned, Chinese characters would be very helpful. The various pronunciations and romanizations make things quite difficult, especially going that far back in time. I did have a look at a few YouTube clips of the gun form that's named after Chatan Yara, and it's not a stretch to say it resembles the xingyi one.

    The best person on Bullshido to ask for more information about what exactly is known regarding Chatan Yara's time in China is Filip. He speaks Japanese and a little Okinawan, trained in Okinawa, and wrote his thesis on the history of Okinawan karate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Rusher View Post
    The timing is a bit early for xingyi under the name xingyi, and it's cutting it fairly close to the first documented evidence of xingyi's immediate predecessor, but who knows?
    I was going to say the same thing about the timing of Xingyi relative to Dai Xinyi. This alone makes Xingyi-Shorin-ryu connection somewhat unlikely IMO.
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    I have made contact with my former Chinese language instructor. He lives in Peking and is working at a university there. I have asked him if he can find anything out for me about Wong Chong Yoh. We will see how he responds.
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    I've read/heard that the Kojo-ryu uses the same animals as Xingyi, and it's said to be a direct transfer of CMA from one of the 36 families. Then again, Kojo-ryu is obscure, and this may be a baseless rumour. The families come from 14th century policy but continued travel between the Ryukyus and China means that more recent martial arts could easily have been passed along.
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