Official Muaythai, Karate and SanDa Throwing, Sweeping and Tripping Thread

[Torakaka]

Yeah I've tried working in the knee trap throws in that 3 pot video, but unless the other person is being lazy with the knees the timing is a mega bitch T_T

[Khun Kao]

I've found that I typically can't do that knee trap unless I have my hand to the outside of the bicep. In the video, the guy is able to do it from the inside position, but you can tell that the guy he's working with isn't that good in the clinch. From the outside position, its a little easier to execute, but its still ain't easy....

[Sang]

Thankfully the timing is a lot easier to get on Western 'clinchers'. Most of the amateurs here are taught to ignore positional improvement in the clinch and just rack up points with as many weakarse/slow knees as possible. Combined with a usual lack of elbows and knees to the head i think these throws are a lot less risky.

[Matt Phillips]

The nice thing about the MMA application of this stuff is that even the fighters that are "good" at MT, actually kind of suck. Many techniques that have no place in pro (or elite ammy) competition work in MMA because almost everyone sucks at most of the game. Case in point: The no-gi drop drop seoi nage Karo nailed Strasser with at 1:20 (below) exists in Greco, but is considered a high risk move against someone who knows what they are doing. In MMA it is decidedly less risky. Same applies to many low frequency moves in MT. Greco players like Hendo know how to do this throw, but won't go for it because in Greco it is a low freq move. Karo thinks like a Judoka, where DSN gets a lot more play (with gi of course). IMO the next level of MMA will happen in baby steps as these kinds of imagination failure fall away one at a time.

YouTube- Judo in MMA: Karo Parisyan vs Dave Strasser

[Torakaka]

Another fun clinch video, without knee traps.....

YouTube- DSCF6003 mpeg2video

This video is awesome btw, thanks for posting it :)

[babo78]

Another fun clinch video, without knee traps....

The body mechanics of clinch throws in first 10 seconds look like a lot like kosoto gake? Is that how that toss was done?


Asking out of curiousity. Never trained Muay Thai.

[Khun Kao]

The body mechanics of clinch throws in first 10 seconds look like a lot like kosoto gake? Is that how that toss was done?


Asking out of curiousity. Never trained Muay Thai.

That's very close, however the tripping action with the foot is illegal. What you *can* do is use your knee to bump the leg rather than your foot.

[Cannon_6]

That's very close, however the tripping action with the foot is illegal. What you *can* do is use your knee to bump the leg rather than your foot.

Agreed, and it's also probably easier to execute the throw in the video, because you have control of your opponent's entire upper body -- not just grips on his lapel and sleeve. A knee/thigh bump is enough when you're pulling on his neck and shoulders.

Edit: Another major difference is that the bumps are from the inside, not the outside.

[Khun Kao]

Agreed, and it's also probably easier to execute the throw in the video, because you have control of your opponent's entire upper body -- not just grips on his lapel and sleeve. A knee/thigh bump is enough when you're pulling on his neck and shoulders.

Agreed. Typically much less space between you and your opponent when performing a throw/dump in Muay Thai.

Edit: Another major difference is that the bumps are from the inside, not the outside.

Knee bumps from the inside are used much more frequently, but knee bumps to the outside are still legal to use. As with any knee bump, the leg must be immediately cleared to give your opponent the opportunity to regain his footing as you throw, though...

[Mtripp]

The nice thing about the MMA application of this stuff is that even the fighters that are "good" at MT, actually kind of suck. Many techniques that have no place in pro (or elite ammy) competition work in MMA because almost everyone sucks at most of the game. Case in point: The no-gi drop drop seoi nage Karo nailed Strasser with at 1:20 (below) exists in Greco, but is considered a high risk move against someone who knows what they are doing. In MMA it is decidedly less risky. Same applies to many low frequency moves in MT. Greco players like Hendo know how to do this throw, but won't go for it because in Greco it is a low freq move. Karo thinks like a Judoka, where DSN gets a lot more play (with gi of course). IMO the next level of MMA will happen in baby steps as these kinds of imagination failure fall away one at a time.

YouTube- Judo in MMA: Karo Parisyan vs Dave Strasser

Actually the finish is a sumi gaeshi into an ude garami. Kimura was big on that.