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  1. Matt Phillips is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khun Kao View Post
    ^THIS!

    I preach to my students/fighters that the double-neck tie is considered to be the grade-school version of the clinch in Thailand. Arm/shoulder/bicep control is where the real action is because you can knee, elbow, and throw from this position.
    I never got past basic clich work in MT. Can you post a vid or pic of some of these positions?

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    Ah but here in America most people have grade-school level clinch work anyway. I swear I've had more success with the double collar tie than anything else. Though I will admit this is highly likely due to the inability of my opponents to defend the clinch.
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    Here's a video of Saenchai and Pornsaneh doing clinch work to get an idea of different clinch positions used by top level muaythai fighters:

    YouTube- Saenchai and Pornsaneh

    Saenchai does a couple throws in here that are pretty sweet.
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    After watching MMA fighters pretending to do MT all year, THAT ^^^ made me smile. Is there some reason you can catch a kick, but not a knee? I never see anyone do that (except in MMA)
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    Quote Originally Posted by War Wheel View Post
    After watching MMA fighters pretending to do MT all year, THAT ^^^ made me smile. Is there some reason you can catch a kick, but not a knee? I never see anyone do that (except in MMA)
    You most certainly can catch a knee, I know several muaythai dumps that are catching the leg as a counter to knee strikes. You're not allowed to bend down and grab someone's leg in muaythai, however, like you were doing a wrestling style single leg.

    edit: if you watch closely, the throw Saenchai does at around 0:12 into the video he grabs Pornsaneh's left knee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by War Wheel View Post
    You are a frame-by-fram kinda girl aren;t you?
    I just knew there had to be at least one instance of a grabbed knee in the video so I went looking for one :P
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    I gotta admit I've used to wonder why we don't see more trapping of the knee to execute a throw in Muay Thai. However, after learning and practicing with a couple, I realize that while there are some really clever knee-trap-and-throw moves, they're extremely difficult to pull off, making them not really worth the training time. Kind of like how you rarely see Thai's do spinning kicks... they're just not practical enough to devote serious training to them.

    As an example, the one knee trap that I still teach and use is a defense against those side knees.... you trap and hold the knee to your body (but don't hook your arm underneath it!), then get your opposite hand in the armpit, pivot out and throw... It's a really clever trick that works. However, when I try to pull that **** off even in "play" sparring, it's hard as ****.

    If you watch the video that Kat posted, you'll see that during much of the clinch, the fighters arms are all "tangled" together as they are each weaving in and out as they jockey for arm/bicep/shoulder control. Releasing your grip with one arm to trap a knee is a high-risk move. You're giving your opponent the opportunity to gain superior position and opening yourself up for an elbow as well.
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    Right around the 10 second mark....

    YouTube- 3 Pot Clinch Tricks
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    Another fun clinch video, without knee traps.....

    YouTube- DSCF6003 mpeg2video
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