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    Pressure points (kyusho jitsu in Japanese, if you care) is more of a 'nice to have' skill than a need to have skill. I don't know the exact numbers...but there is a percentage of people on which most, or some, pressure points simply don't work. There are even more people who simply don't give a **** if you are applying an infraorbital, mandibular angle, or whatever pressure point...either because they are seething with adrenaline or drunk/high.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daishi View Post
    Pressure points (kyusho jitsu in Japanese, if you care) is more of a 'nice to have' skill than a need to have skill. I don't know the exact numbers...but there is a percentage of people on which most, or some, pressure points simply don't work. There are even more people who simply don't give a **** if you are applying an infraorbital, mandibular angle, or whatever pressure point...either because they are seething with adrenaline or drunk/high.
    My best friend's like that. Try and apply a "pressure point" technique to him and he'll just stand there smiling. He stubs his toe on the edge of a chair and he's on the floor crying. Go figure.

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    I study both.

    I think you have to define terms when you say "Japanese Jujitsu" though...

    Almost always when people tell me they study "JJJ" they actually study a style of American Jujitsu.

    Actual JAPANESE Jujutsu (as practiced in Japan) is pretty rare in the U.S., compared to all the post WWII styles based on Judo & whatever else.

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    Judo + Muay Thai would be the most practical solution. You'll get good strikes + clinch game + throws + fundamental groundwork.

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    Don't let yourself get pulled in by the pressure point hype you'll see on the internet. There is a hell of a lot evidence that suggests that these things do not work under pressure.

    Think about it, what would you rather do? Fiddle about trying to find the pressure point along someone's clavicle and hope they don't hit you or drive your fist into their face and slam them into the floor (in the immortal words of Mr Tripp) so hard their parents die?

    Trust me, I studied pressure points in Kung Fu for years and the only thing they're good for is suckering your mates in the pub.
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    If you're only interested in the self defense aspect of training you could check out a street fighting style like Krav Maga (or Kajukenbo). If it's KM just make sure the school is teaching proper civilian KM from a recognised Israeli organisation (IKMF or IKMA). Like BJJ cross training in KM is encouraged so most qualified instructors should already have a fairly rounded game.

    Re nerve strikes etc... better off going to the groin, eyes or throat if you want to fight dirty. Pressure points work fine in compliant techniques but are mostly useless against a resisting opponent. If they were really effective you would see them in UFC or the old Pride matches.

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    Only style I can think of, frankly, is ninjutsu, but good luck finding an instructor who isn't full of it. McDojo nightmare, that is. However, if you can find someone who actually teaches the stuff correctly, it might be what your looking for.

    Still, its hard to argue with the "Hit them, Choke them, go have some coffee" argument. I mean, pressure points are nifty, but no one has a brain that works without oxygen...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zraven7 View Post
    Only style I can think of, frankly, is ninjutsu, but good luck finding an instructor who isn't full of it. McDojo nightmare, that is. However, if you can find someone who actually teaches the stuff correctly, it might be what your looking for.

    Still, its hard to argue with the "Hit them, Choke them, go have some coffee" argument. I mean, pressure points are nifty, but no one has a brain that works without oxygen...

    What style of Ninjutsu, pray tell?
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    And there is the problem. With my limited means, I have only been able to find out bare minimum about ninjutsu. I know it integrates grappeling aspects with precision striking, but anything beyond that, i can't say for sure. The McDojo comment is personal experience though, as I was interested, looked into the meager few schools advertising training in my area, and saw nothing that looked, well, worth tie, let alone a stupid amount of money. If you have any reliable ninjutsu references, please tell me, because i have always been curious.

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    Point taken, information appreciated. BTW, Lu Tze, if your SN is the Discworld reference I think it is, that is happy.

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