Tai CHi Sparring.

[Rivington]

Wasn't there a story about Ren Guang Yi entering an American push-hand competition, and losing due to violating a number of their rules and restrictions?

Yup. Got DQed for the rough stuff. I was struck once again when I looked at Chen Ziqiang's push hands vid (in the Chen show thread I put up the other day). It's normal fun stuff—people are learning, they're not having bones broken or anything, and they're going for it...and if any of that stuff was done in a US tournament, the police would probably be called!

[Cuchulain]

CodosDePiedra stop. He is playing a semantics game with you. You have defined what you mean by push hands. Your definition explains why push hands does not equal wrestling.

He is now nit picking your definition by stretching it into all push hands while, not defining his own position.

Notice you have gotten away from wrestling not equaling "sparring" but, sambo, judo, etc are now are variations of wrestling.

I'm not playing games with anyone. My first reply stated that I think we agree on everything except our terminology.

I completely accept why he doesn't consider fixed step push hands as wrestling but I have said I would consider anything where by you competetively try to off balance an opponent as wrestling*.

I would think most people would use the term 'Sparring' only if it involved striking. BJJ players don't spar do they? They Roll. That's how I see it anyway.

*Obviously I'm using wrestling in the very generic sense. I'm not saying it's like the high-school wrestling you have over there.


My own experience with Push Hands is very limited. Enough to appreciate the benefits it can have in less restrictive wrestling but not enough to be able to pull any of it off myself.

[It is Fake]

I would think most people would use the term 'Sparring' only if it involved striking. BJJ players don't spar do they? They Roll. That's how I see it anyway.

Well we'll just have to disagree because, I've seen, read and heard BJJers and Judokas use randori, rolling, and sparring interchangeably. Yes, in their non-striking rule set.

[Cuchulain]

Well we'll just have to disagree because, I've seen, read and heard BJJers and Judokas use randori, rolling, and sparring interchangeably. Yes, in their non-striking rule set.

You say Tomatoe...

[Rivington]

Gee, boxers don't throw kicks or work on joint locks. They must not actually spar either.

That said, tai chi does make a differentiation between tui shou and san shou.

[Cuchulain]

Gee, boxers don't throw kicks or work on joint locks. They must not actually spar either.

That said, tai chi does make a differentiation between tui shou and san shou.

Oh ffs. I'm happy to leave it as a difference in opinion but I don't see why my opinion that the term 'spar' refers to striking should be ridiculed.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/spar

spar

2    /spɑr/ Show Spelled [spahr] Show IPA ,verb, sparred, spar·ring, noun
–verb (used without object) 1. (of boxers) to make the motions of attack and defense with the arms and fists, esp. as a part of training.

2. to box, esp. with light blows.

3. to strike or attack with the feet or spurs, as gamecocks do.

4. to bandy words; dispute.


–noun 5. a motion of sparring.

6. a boxing match.

7. a dispute.

[Rivington]

The reason is deserves to be ridiculed is because its ridiculous of course—especially as you ran for a dictionary (a descriptive tool for a general audience) while arguing some jejune point for a specialist audience. Sparring is a term of art around here referring to competitive, live, fighting of some intensity used for pedagogical purposes, and it's pretty amazing, innit, that everyone else manages to use the word and more or less express just that...but not you, eh?

So, in conclusion: hee hee, you suck you jerk.