5/17/2010 2:50pm, #51
You have avoided the question. Additionally, all of your prior posts appear to exhibit the same traits that you condemn the NRA's management of.
If you feel the Second Amendment or any other civil right of the Bill of Rights should be abridged or abolished, that is your right. I respect that and support your right to do so. It would be nice if you answered the question.
Originally Posted by BadUglyMagic
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5/17/2010 3:51pm, #52
I hope that is good enough to answer your questions.
5/17/2010 4:19pm, #53
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Your views are typical of individuals who haven't fully considered what types of self-defense scenarios they may find themselves in. Numbnuts want to dictate what type of situation we should be allowed to prepare for. To people like you, civilians can't possibly need to defend themselves against anything other than a punk ass kid with a .32 in his waist band. Or against somebody trying to break into their house.
Don't be so fucking naive. You say hunting rifles, revolvers, etc are sufficient in a civilized society. But what happens when society becomes uncivilized? It happens every day somewhere in the world. It has happened on a limited scale multiple times here in the U.S.
I have semiautos for self-defense. They are legitimate self-defense weapons. So are large bore weapons like the .50. They are good for killing people if necessary. I also keep large quantities of ammo in case I need to kill large numbers of people to protect myself and my family. Have fun using your six shooter against a mob who wants to eat your food and rape your wife.
Unfortunately, your mentality has become commonplace. People who haven't seen struggle and conflict in their lifetime often fail to see how quickly their way of life can erode. They trust the government will take care of them. They think things can only get so bad and they put too much faith in the system.
People need guns that are made for combat because they may need to protect themselves from people who would do them harm. The second amendment is about maintaining the ability to kill to protect yourself. Liberal assholes want to take away the weapons that give you that ability. Fucking ignorant masochistic pansies.
5/17/2010 4:39pm, #54
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I'm not here to tread on your civil rights, so Mtripp, Devil, Mr Machette and BadUglyMagic you can buy all the weapons of all the weapontypes you want.Originally Posted by Jiujitsu77Originally Posted by HumanzeeOriginally Posted by jk55299 on Keysi Fighting Method
5/17/2010 5:03pm, #55
As I said, when people continue to avoid the questions, then project their own problems on to me, there is little left to say.
So, I shall make the point plain. If you believe in gun rights, there is NO ONE on the left who will support your position. When you vote for the left, your vote is against gun rights. Wiggle all you wish, but the evidence is there for those honest enough to look.
In as much as the left will appoint people to the courts who will DENY my gun rights, then I must do all I can to insure they are not in power to appoint them. Because we have kept the left out of power as long as we did, we have got verdicts such as Heller. Anyone who asserts we would have Heller, or Shall Issue, et al, under a left majority court is simply not being honest.
As such, I will continue to support the only people who support me....
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5/17/2010 5:51pm, #56
I am pretty liberal/non-conservative and yet am still an NRA member. If the Second Amendment is not the number 1 interest of the NRA, what is it?
Out of curiosity, are you a member of any organization which protects the Second Amendment?
What are those other political ideals that make the NRA mutually exclusive to them? If you present compelling information, you can change my viewpoint or at least cause me to check into it. That is why I ask.
5/17/2010 8:00pm, #57
The difference between groups like the NRA and the ACLU is that the ACLU will help and work with people it doesn't agree with in the quest to make sure civil rights apply to all equally. I do not see that attitude in the NRA.
And again the NRA gives political and financial support to people I flat out do not agree with or want to support by any means. I have tried to show how the biggest NRA spokes people are also some of the biggest believers of civil rights of convenience.
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5/17/2010 8:24pm, #58
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I would like you clarify the bolded part. I'm not trying to be a smartass but I don't understand what you are saying. Are you saying the NRA doesn't want the 2nd amendment to apply equally? Could you give some examples of where the ACLU has helped people with whom they disagree with. The ACLU does not fight for the second amendment because they do not believe in it. A few years ago their website flat out stated that. I was under the impression the ACLU mainly filed lawsuits that benefited a liberal cause. For example they frequently file lawsuits regarding christian symbols, prayers, ect, but didn't object to a school in California requiring students to read the Koran.
5/17/2010 9:22pm, #59Could you give some examples of where the ACLU has helped people with whom they disagree with. A few years ago their website flat out stated that. I was under the impression the ACLU mainly filed lawsuits that benefited a liberal cause. For example they frequently file lawsuits regarding christian symbols, prayers, ect, but didn't object to a school in California requiring students to read the Koran.
Not trying to argue his point but, giving you some examples of what people think/feel/know is wrong.
The ACLU does not fight for the second amendment because they do not believe in it.
They are a little grayer in that area IMO.
Hope this helps.
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5/17/2010 9:31pm, #60
Other "liberal" causes in which the ACLU involved itself in include neo-Nazi organizations, the Westboro Baptist Church (Phelps and co.), Oliver North, the tobacco industry, and against the sort of campaign finance reform most often supported by the Democratic Party. Most of these free speech grounds (though north was a Fifth Amendment case).
Incidentally, the ACLU has positions, but doesn't just swoop in and file lawsuits—one major reason why the ACLU tends to trend left is because right-wingers facing freedom of speech issues tend not to contact the ACLU for assistance. (The ACLU does file briefs and the like when it can; it did so on behalf of Rush Limbaugh a few years ago, for example.)
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