5/13/2010 1:50pm, #1
The NRA seems to have a monopoly on most firearm training, and some ranges in my area even require a membership in order to shoot there. I am all for protecting the second amendment, but it's my opinion that they go way outside that mission and I am leery of giving money to an organization that supports individuals that are an anathema to everything I believe in. (Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, Chuck Norris, etc.).
So what is a pro-gun progressive to do?
5/13/2010 1:59pm, #2And lo, Kano looked down upon the field and saw the multitudes. Amongst them were the disciples of Uesheba who were greatly vexed at his sayings. And Kano spake: "Do not be concerned with the mote in thy neighbor's eye, when verily thou hast a massive stick in thine ass".
--Scrolls of Bujutsu: Chapter 5 vs 10-14.
5/13/2010 1:59pm, #3
Wait till the progressives try and tell you that the second amendment is about duck hunting.
Sorry, but I think its one or the other. For good reason."Out of every hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back." -- Hericletus, circa 500 BC
5/13/2010 2:16pm, #4
It's my opinion that the best chance for the second amendment is to make the issue more approachable by the other side. A lot of my friends are either very open on gun ownership or gun owners themselves, but don't get involved in the issue because doing so means supporting a crowd that is opposite politically on most every other issue.
5/13/2010 2:28pm, #5
every state needs a VCDL.
5/13/2010 2:37pm, #6
5/13/2010 3:46pm, #7
5/13/2010 4:03pm, #8
- Join Date
- Sep 2009
I'm in complete agreement with the OP. I am almost amused, but not surprised, by the reaction to their perspective.
I am a target shooter. I also believe in protecting the gun ownership rights of people who hunt, people who shoot for sports, and people who want to take personal responsibility for their safety. Actually, that's not a complete list; I don't think anyone needs to justify to ME or the government why they want a weapon, insofar as they don't have a record of violent criminal behavior.
That being said, i agree with OP that the NRA goes beyond advocating shooters' rights and throws their support behind ideas and people that are antithetical to my view of constitutional and rational governance. Much in the same way that i'd beat a man who kicked my dog, but i don't trust the folks at PETA.
American politics is extraordinarily complex, and deciding to support the NRA for the single issue of 2nd Amendment rights while ignoring that this support helps candidates that push their theology, purported values, and hyperbolic rhetoric on my constitution is just too hard to swallow.
5/13/2010 4:42pm, #9
- Join Date
- Apr 2008
I'm not exactly happy with some of the folks the NRA supports - for instance Pallin & Beck. But I don't think there is any other organization out there that does what the NRA can do when it comes to defending the 2A. I really like JPFO and have been an off and on member over the years, but I don't think they have the muscle of the NRA.
The training stuff the NRA is putting out now is really very good. I'm talking about their intro stuff - basic pistol, rifle, shotgun, and even the self defense in the home. They have put a lot of time and money into the coursework and it's pretty solid. Especially for someone new to shooting. They don't do any serious FOF stuff, but that's another story.
Finally, the reason ranges want you to be a member is for insurance. The NRA helps provide these ranges with good rates. If it weren't for them, a lot of these places (and a lot of the trainers) wouldn't be around. They have defined certain policies, standards, certifications, etc. that help the insurance folks feel a little more comfortable in writing policies.
As a disclaimer, I'm an NRA life member and an NRA certified instructor.
5/13/2010 4:55pm, #10
An occupational therapist with whom I used to discuss guns was completely mystified as to why I'd let all the rest of the NRA's activities prevent me from becoming a member. In fact, I'll borrow another fellow's words:Originally Posted by Hunter S. Thompson writing on July 15, 1968