5/12/2010 2:05pm, #11
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Claiming professional wins in Thailand doesn't necessarily mean Raja or Lumpinee, even back then. Either way, I'm curious as to where one would gain access to twenty year old documentation regarding professional muay Thai bouts in Thailand. Since BS artists routinely claim any number of bouts in Thailand, knowing that those bouts are nearly impossible to verify, that kind of information could be very helpful in sorting out posers from the real thing.
5/12/2010 2:08pm, #12
The other claims are way more interesting, since they are clearly an attempt of profile-padding even worse than Severe.
I list those that seem more important to me here:
No BS MMA and Martial Arts - View Single Post - Klaus Schuhmacher won 3 pro fights in Thailand mid 80's???
The only thing that cannot be explained through the usual oldschool degree-padding is the claim that he trained US Special Forces.
But even there, the terms have to be watched carefully:
for his many years of teaching U.S. Special Forces, Army and Airforce personnel (fixed by me)
The rest, about his Hapkido etc claims, can per se be true, in the sense that he was rewarded those ranks and titles - the point is that places like the American College of Martial Science, the Halls of Fame etc are notorious rank-for-cash factories that have been discussed many times over here already.
The same can be the case with his fight record; maybe he went to Thailand, maybe he even got a pro license.
However, there is a difference between pro levels as well, of course. You can call yourself a "pro" regardless if you fight in the UFC or, say, in "Smackgirl".
In the end, he's a typical oldschool martial artist - dozens and dozens of ranks, titles and accomplishments, and yet a skillset no bigger than Fred Ettish in his UFC fight.
5/12/2010 2:17pm, #13
5/12/2010 2:20pm, #14
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5/12/2010 2:31pm, #17
I think this is actually a very important thread, because, since BS is mainly focused on the US so far, there are many, many black sheep like Mr Schumacher out there.
If I just think of the claims the average instructor makes in my own hometown, I could fill books about all their boasted profiles and blatant lies. (Best so far: "UFC winner".)
5/12/2010 2:33pm, #18
He posted his certs on his page, but ufortunately they are way too small to read.
He has WAY too many certs and ranks, IMO.
Since the writing is too small to be legible, I can't be of any help with the Japanese. This also makes establishing the issuing body difficult. This could have been obtained from a belt mill, it's too small and illegible to tell.
5/12/2010 2:36pm, #19
Also, please note this:
Very vague, no specific organizations are mentioned.
He is certified and official registered by many different international Martial Arts organizations from the U.S.A., Asia (including Nepal, India, Singapore, China, Bangladesh, Philippines, Okinawa, Japan and Korea) Europe, Central- and South America. This include very high ranks in Hap-Ki-Do, Tae-Kwon-Do, Ho-Shin-Do, Gum-Do, Tang-Soo-Do, Ju-Jitsu, Chinese Martial Arts, Okinawan Karate (Tamira-Kei-Shin-Ryu & Goju-Ryu),and high ranks in Okinawan Kobudo and Aiki-Jitsu, etc.
5/12/2010 2:37pm, #20
- No address given, though.
The org that google gives for Hapkido in Thailand, Costa Rica etc. is Schumacher's W.I.H.K.D.F.:
Look at their page - in German - but even so, speaking volumes:
Here is an English page: