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    Quote Originally Posted by UpaLumpa View Post
    Neither Hardy nor Daley earned their title shots or contender bouts and I'm glad one of them is gone.
    That's something you have to blame Joe Silva and Dana White for not the fighters (or in this case Kos requested the Daley fight.) By accepting the fights they did it merely proves their willingness to take on the best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuchulain View Post
    By accepting the fights they did it merely proves their willingness to take on the best.
    Their performances also demonstrate their apparent unwillingness to train the skills they need to in order to compete with the best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UpaLumpa View Post
    Their performances also demonstrate their apparent unwillingness to train the skills they need to in order to compete with the best.
    Not unwillingness, just a serious lack of wrestling in mainstream british culture means that they haven't been training to execute and defend takedowns against D1 wrestlers from their early teens putting them at a severe dissadvantage against fighters who specialise in it (Koscheck, GSP)

    edit: Hardy is currently on an intensive wrestling sabbatical and Daley actually defended reasonably well against a couple of shots considering.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mtripp View Post
    Of course it happens in Football.

    Punters take dives all the time.....
    Crucial difference: Punters leave their legs hanging in the air to draw actual penalties, not to pretend one happened when it didn't. The disincentive to that one is less formal: when a player actually does manage to get their hand on a punt, they've basically got carte blanche to crush the punter too.

    In any case, in terms of MMA, my understanding is that we're off to a decent start, in that Koscheck didn't get the extra point after the ref consulted video replay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRuss View Post
    Crucial difference: Punters leave their legs hanging in the air to draw actual penalties, not to pretend one happened when it didn't. The disincentive to that one is less formal: when a player actually does manage to get their hand on a punt, they've basically got carte blanche to crush the punter too.

    In any case, in terms of MMA, my understanding is that we're off to a decent start, in that Koscheck didn't get the extra point after the ref consulted video replay.
    Actually I have seen punters dive trying to "sell" the penalty.

    Moreover, unlike trying to block the punt, there is NO excuse to throw the knee. The man is down on all fours. Even if the call had stood, the bottom line is, he threw an illegal knee. No knee no call. Yes, he sucked so bad he missed, but he still threw an illegal knee.

    Whatever happened after that, he had only himself to blame.
    "Out of every hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back." -- Hericletus, circa 500 BC
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mtripp View Post
    Actually I have seen punters dive trying to "sell" the penalty.
    If you say so, but it really is not an issue in the sport in general.

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    Moreover, unlike trying to block the punt, there is NO excuse to throw the knee. The man is down on all fours. Even if the call had stood, the bottom line is, he threw an illegal knee. No knee no call. Yes, he sucked so bad he missed, but he still threw an illegal knee.

    Whatever happened after that, he had only himself to blame.
    Daley tried to throw an illegal knee, which would be illegal.
    Koscheck "sold" the knee, which is/should also be illegal.

    Because of - but not limited to - this, both of them disgraced themselves.
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    Koscheck appeared to play up the knee but it isn't like it didn't touch him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UpaLumpa View Post
    Koscheck appeared to play up the knee but it isn't like it didn't touch him.
    Watch it again. It is a lot like it didn't touch him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UpaLumpa View Post
    Koscheck appeared to play up the knee but it isn't like it didn't touch him.
    It depends if you count his hair as him. There was definitely no visual impact in the slightest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuchulain View Post
    It depends if you count his hair as him. There was definitely no visual impact in the slightest.
    All the replays I recall from the night of the fight suggested that it grazed/glanced. They did not suggest that it just whiffed air.
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