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    What should I be learning as a beginner Wing Chun practitioner?

    Hi guys

    Firstly, if there is another thread here somewhere that contains all the answers, please link me up; I've searched (and I might be searching wrong) and I'm battling to find information.

    I'm new to martial arts and to WC (4 months to be precise).

    I've Googled, Bing'd, talked to other people but so far I'm still unsure as to what I should be learning at this stage, if I'm, in fact, doing the real deal.

    I understand that there are bastardizations and different family systems, but at the core of the art: what should be there?

    I'm really into learning a proper style, and mastering it. Not for fighting on the streets (of course knowing how to fight is never a bad thing) or to compete in competitions - it's a personal thing.
    And it's because of it being that, that I need to make sure that I'm not wasting my time, before I invest more money and more time into my current training.

    If I can give an example, I've read a lot about the wooden dummy technique.
    I haven't seen a dummy in my school (I can understand that it might not be taught at my level).

    Any information at all would be really appreciated.

    Thanks in advance.
    RF

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    If you are learning it just to "know" a martial art and don't care whether it makes you a better fighter or not then it doesn't really matter if it's the real deal or not. What matters is whether you enjoy doing it and like the other people who are in the classes and get along well with your instructor.

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    What should I be learning as a beginner Wing Chun practitioner?
    Matt Thornton's Principles of Aliveness. Try Youtube.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kintanon View Post
    If you are learning it just to "know" a martial art and don't care whether it makes you a better fighter or not then it doesn't really matter if it's the real deal or not. What matters is whether you enjoy doing it and like the other people who are in the classes and get along well with your instructor.
    I think I might have expressed that wrong.

    What I meant was whether or not what I'm learning would be applicable in a real-life situation.

    So, I guess, if you put it that way, I do care if it makes me a better fighter.

    And it's not just about knowing a martial art; I started doing it to improve my overall fitness, mental and spiritual levels. So it does go a lot deeper than that.

    Which is why I decided to join Bullshido and get some expert opinions from guys who have been doing this for a lot longer than me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RumbleFish View Post
    I think I might have expressed that wrong.

    What I meant was whether or not what I'm learning would be applicable in a real-life situation.
    Then as previously mentioned, look up Matt Thornton’s videos on “aliveness”. Hint: Your training must include sparring against opponents who are really trying to get you, not just situational drills, not just drills with pre-defined attackers and defenders, not just drills with specific techniques prescribed or proscribed, but sparring with someone who’s trying to get you just as much as you are trying to get him.

    And it's not just about knowing a martial art; I started doing it to improve my overall fitness, mental and spiritual levels. So it does go a lot deeper than that.
    To improve fitness, do any intense physical activity. To improve your “mental levels”, go to a good university. To improve your “spiritual levels”…does that even mean anything outside of role playing games?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Petter View Post
    Then as previously mentioned, look up Matt Thornton’s videos on “aliveness”. Hint: Your training must include sparring against opponents who are really trying to get you, not just situational drills, not just drills with pre-defined attackers and defenders, not just drills with specific techniques prescribed or proscribed, but sparring with someone who’s trying to get you just as much as you are trying to get him.
    Thanks, I just watched that now.
    And I should be doing this from the get-go, yes?
    Yeah, I think I might be wasting my time then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RumbleFish View Post
    I've Googled, Bing'd, talked to other people but so far I'm still unsure as to what I should be learning at this stage, if I'm, in fact, doing the real deal.
    Tell me who your Sifu is, his/her lineage, how long you've been studying, how many classes a week and how long, your bank account #, PIN, and SSN, why you chose __ng __un, what you hope to get out of MA in general, and I should be able to answer your questions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RumbleFish View Post
    Thanks, I just watched that now.
    And I should be doing this from the get-go, yes?
    Yeah, I think I might be wasting my time then.
    Obviously the level has to vary—the beginner who first sets fot in a boxing gym can’t spar like the pros. But, while I can’t speak much for where the level should be in striking arts, I can tell you that in the BJJ gym I train at, beginners first spar in some way, against resistance, in their first or second class—and every class after that.

    I can also tell you from painful personal experience that no matter how good you get at applying a technique on someone who lets you apply it, or someone who comes at you with a particular attack, that does not mean that you’ll be able to apply it to someone who’s actively trying to get you—and actively trying not to let you use your techniques.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RumbleFish View Post
    Thanks, I just watched that now.
    And I should be doing this from the get-go, yes?
    Yeah, I think I might be wasting my time then.
    What are your other options for training in your area? If there is a Muay Thai, western boxing, Kyokushin, BJJ, Judo or wrestling gym nearby, try one of those out.

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    are you sparring? or just doing chi sao? have the sifu's got any experience other than wing chun, probably the only real way to tell, would be go to another gym/school, muay thai/kickboxing/kyokushin etc, and compare the training!

    edit: what above post say!

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