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    13th degree black belt??...Offered US MA Hall-Of-Fame Status (declined)??

    I was browsing a few websites looking for a school for my son and came across this site with a "grand master" claiming some incredible stuff that sound a little fishy to me...an example:

    - 9 World Champions defeated
    - Develop "The World's Most Advanced Martial Arts Self Defense System" to be Tested & Proven thru Undefeated Kumite Results.
    - Offered US MA Hall-Of-Fame Status (declined).

    Could you guys take a look at this please?

    http://www.angelfire.com/pro/utah_martial_arts/

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    Is this guy actually teaching, or does he just have a website? It could just be a joke.

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    Have you been to this school to try a class?

    If not, go and ask some questions in person, it's quicker and easier.

    As far as the site itself goes:

    - 2009 Black Belt 5th Degree
    - 2010 Black Belt 6th Degree

    He's promoting his instructors from 5th Dan to 6th Dan in a year. Rapid promotions at high levels usually indicate 'interesting' standards.

    - 6 Green Beret Kumite
    Green Berets have Kumite tournaments now? Summon military members to call obvious bullshit on this.

    - Utah Guard+Special Forces Kumite
    This is very easy to check for the price of a local phone call. Ring the Utah Guard up and ask if they have, or have ever had, Kumite tournaments.
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    I note he also claims:
    - 6 Green Beret Kumite
    - Utah Guard+Special Forces Kumite

    ... but there's no more information regarding those on the page. I assume that means he's claiming he was with the Green Berets?

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    1. he claims a... 13 Black Belt Kumite (3 times)?
    2. 9 world champions defeated
    3. 6 green beret kumite
    4. Utah Guard and Special Forces Kumite
    5. Undefeated Kumite Expert

    If it's not a joke, it's definitely a sad case of bullshido.


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    I was planning on visiting his school this weekend with my son, but all the information posted on his website raised a few red flags since this is the first time i know of a 13th degree black belt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kalinut View Post
    I was planning on visiting his school this weekend with my son, but all the information posted on his website raised a few red flags since this is the first time i know of a 13th degree black belt.
    I've seen them in the Bujinkan and their derivatives, but they're ninjers so you should know how much stock to place in them.

    It could be (and I've seen this retarded notion before) that he's adding up all the Dan levels he's got into one number. I've seen this with Yanks before, it's probably compensating for something.

    It's quite simple, do you want your child learning to defend themselves from a fat guy who's spilling out of his gi with some questionable claims? Or do you want to go to the Throwdowns forum, find some members in your area and ask them for their recommendations? Put your kid in Judo or Wrestling, he'll thank you when he's older.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kalinut View Post
    I was browsing a few websites looking for a school for my son and came across this site with a "grand master" claiming some incredible stuff that sound a little fishy to me...
    OK, fishy. A fairly conservative comment considering the "30 years undefeated" Kumite record the "Grandmaster" boasts. So his story is that he puts into practice a 30 year plan to defeat all comers then, when that plan succeeds, is too modest to accept a place in the Hall-of-Fame? Certainly isn't modest enough to not mention the offer though, or the inevitable "military training" he has provided.

    Some good things smell like fish though. Suspect claims are just that, suspect. They are not proof of wrongdoing or incompetence

    Could you guys take a look at this please?
    This is where the problem is. In fact there is a sticky to this effect. If you want this guy investigated, you are the one who will have to visit the school, email them, ask questions etc. Someone here could be a student or ex-student, may know something, but I doubt it as they would have started a thread on this dude.

    Alternatively, you could just look for a place for your son that does not set off alarm bells for you.

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    Checked the sub-menus.

    (Indeed, the MK soundtrack can make you want to kill people.)

    Overprized bullshit. Don't got there, and less with your children.

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