4/29/2010 10:00am, #51
But there is no point training in what you cannot control or giving up because there are aspects of self defence you cannot control.
It is more about making the best with what you have which is why most knife defence work on the theory that you have seen the knife and have a chance of stopping it.
4/29/2010 10:11am, #52
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4/29/2010 11:31am, #53
In fact, i should say that I saw two stabbings. In both cases, two people closed the distance, one gets stabbed somehow, and the other runs off.
That fast. No "fighting", no "brandishing", just a stab and it's over.
One was a couple of Mexican guys. Guy "A" rushes guy "B". Guy "B" braces himself for impact. Guy "A" body checks guy "B", and promptly falls to the deck while guy "A" runs away about as fast as I've ever seen a person move outside of professional sports.
The other fight was two homeless crack head ladies wrestling in the street for god only knows what reason. One screams loudly, "Ow! You Stabbed me!". They separate, and one takes off running. The other limps away bleeding.
Neither time was a knife displayed. In both instances, the "victims" had no idea a knife was in play until they were stabbed.
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4/29/2010 12:21pm, #54"Judo is a study of techniques with which you may kill if you wish to kill, injure if you wish to injure, subdue if you wish to subdue, and, when attacked, defend yourself" - Jigoro Kano (1889)
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"The judoist has no time to allow himself a margin for error, especially in a situation upon which his or another person's very life depends...."
~ The Secret of Judo (Jiichi Watanabe & Lindy Avakian), p.19
"Hope is not a method... nor is enthusiasm."
~ Brigadier General Gordon Toney
4/29/2010 2:54pm, #55
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4/30/2010 12:05pm, #56
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I found there are a very low percentage you can block or even grab a knife without being cuts. I watch some video that said few stab can't kill you as long it is not hit you vital, I got bleed from a knife attack on my arms and light cut on stomach and less than 5 minutes I fell real dizzy.
If you got opportunities react first, if you let the opportunities away , than you are in real trouble.
4/30/2010 12:28pm, #57
4/30/2010 2:05pm, #58
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In TKD we did knife defence practices a couple of times a year, with rubber knives and markers. Some of the defenses were almost realistic, but anything involving the kicking the knife or the hand with the knife made me laugh in hystarics. A marker dot, given in combination with a spinning axe kick, is an interesting thing to be distracted by, or worry about because you know it is a marker.
As a JJJ shodan, we practice knife defence often - and with the higher belts, we use an assorted variety of real knives. Some of us have the scars to show for it.
But the issue is always motive: a mugger going for wallet is different than a girlfriends Ex, which is different than a gang initiation at the bus stop or subway. It is difficult to imposible to recreate this environment in a dojo, because the defense and attack needed varies so greatly that the hope is that after training, at least you can attempt something, instead of standing back watching yourself get murdered or slashed.
Moving to real knives gives some motivation, and provides focus, but the attacker needs to be motivated too. If the attacker is overly motivated to make it real, and does slashing instead of stabbing, you have very little to go on.
Even those electric knives that people use, have a hard time motivating either attacker or defender, especially at a 4 hour seminar that you paid good money for, are you going to committ to an attack in the first hour that could leave the other person hurt, or yourself hurt...not likely.
5/01/2010 2:40pm, #59
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The long and short of it , even a person armed with a gun IE a Law Enforcement officer with his gun holstered will be stabbed by an attacker who runs at him from a distance of 20 feet or less .
Bottom Line Defense against a knife wielder especially if that person is skilled is precarious at best. My suggestion Run if you can or pick up something to strike
And Id think Id use low level shin kicks to keep distance between yourself. But again a skilled knife fighter will slice and dice youMove along citizen ,nothing to see here !!!!!
5/01/2010 3:08pm, #60
Also, there is no "let's train for this scenario" argument. You train for the worst scenario and go form there if you are going to train.
This has turned into a _ing _un lowest fighter debate with knives.