JKA Shotokan vs. Knives (No wait! Humour me a bit)

**Chili Pepper** · Posted On: 4/27/2010 12:14pm

Originally Posted by fug

In my experience the best knife defenses were in Kajukenbo (after all, Joe Emperado was knifed to death outside their dojo) and of course they have Judo and JJ lineage.

If Kajukenbo has good knife defence, I'd suggest that comes from Adriano Emperado's FMA background.

**helmutlvx** · Posted On: 4/27/2010 2:23pm

Originally Posted by maofas

but in reality, lower parry is for straight kicks to the lower gut and the high parry is for attacks that come from above. The majority of real punch parrying is done with with osae uke and soto uke which work very well for that purpose.

I agree with this statement 100%.

Most of the time if you're going to get knifed, you've already been knifed. Only a mugger who's a complete idiot would brandish a knife towards you and demand money.

You're more likely to have the blade poking some soft part of your body, and no krotty block in the world will get you out of that.

**Squerlli** · Posted On: 4/27/2010 2:30pm

Best knife defense is a gun.

**Uglybugly** · Posted On: 4/27/2010 3:07pm

I am sorry but some of these posters give the impression that they live in a world were knife wielding rapist jumps out every shadow. this subject is not relevant to my interests and I should really not troll this but.. Could there be some kind of hard issues going on behind the curtain?

**Uncle Skippy** · Posted On: 4/27/2010 3:07pm

Originally Posted by iopyud

"Theoretically" speaking.

You lost me here.

**Mtripp** · Posted On: 4/27/2010 4:38pm

Originally Posted by Uglybugly

I am sorry but some of these posters give the impression that they live in a world were knife wielding rapist jumps out every shadow. this subject is not relevant to my interests and I should really not troll this but.. Could there be some kind of hard issues going on behind the curtain?

If the topic is "defending against a knife attack," wouldn't it be logical to then create a real world context for said attack? I guess we could use the context of the movies, or TV, but to what end?

The only "issue" is what happens in a real world assault with a knife. I suggest watching "Surviving Edged Weapons" and then we can go from there.

**Uncle Skippy** · Posted On: 4/27/2010 5:07pm

Originally Posted by Mtripp

The only "issue" is what happens in a real world assault with a knife. I suggest watching "Surviving Edged Weapons" and then we can go from there.

After that, a simple google image search for 'knife fight' will show the results of various encounters. Clicking on an image should provide context.

It just seems that to survive, you should run. If you can't run, latch onto the hand with the knife, try to reposition yourself, and then run. Anything less than 2-on-1 with the hand holding the knife is too much of an unknown.

My favorite image result:

I like to bring some tongs and drawn butter to my knife fights.

**It is Fake** · Posted On: 4/27/2010 5:12pm

Actually i have no problem with knife training if it is legit. Ask Mtripp to tell his story. That is one of the best and shows why you need to train it realistically or not at all.

**Uglybugly** · Posted On: 4/27/2010 5:52pm

Originally Posted by Mtripp

If the topic is "defending against a knife attack," wouldn't it be logical to then create a real world context for said attack? I guess we could use the context of the movies, or TV, but to what end?

Ofc your context and argument sounds logical and reasonable. IIF said something about your story. Is it ok if we ask?

**Mtripp** · Posted On: 4/27/2010 5:53pm

Originally Posted by It is Fake

Actually i have no problem with knife training if it is legit. Ask Mtripp to tell his story. That is one of the best and shows why you need to train it realistically or not at all.

You know, you are as bad as Moose. Which one?

The "challenge" match in the dojo?

The guys who showed up on Halloween?

When I stopped to aid two "Women" who's car was broken down?

???

Or, you tell it, then I'll remember it and add to if need be.