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  1. Ronin is offline

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    Targets shoulder and elbow.
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    kimura :
    Last edited by Ronin; 2/19/2004 8:00am at .
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     Style: Chinese Boxing

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    Si elbow y shoulder.
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    I hear Kimura is the master of this new martial art.

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    Physical fitness is not required, nor are long hours of study needed. Just quote the appropriate spells from our Tome Of Power (tm) to transform your body into an unstoppable unliving death dealing machine.

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    Originally posted by ronin69
    kimura :
    That looks like an americana. The hand goes up towards the head, versus down by the waist.

    Correct me if I'm wrong please.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sifu Rudy Abel
    "Just what makes a pure grappler think he can survive with an experienced striker. Especially if that striker isn't following any particular rule set and is well aware of what the grapplers strategies are".
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    I can never tell the difference! I just always say Kimuracana! That way no one can say I'm wrong?
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  7. Student is offline

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    that is a modified americana - looks like to submit he would have to rotate the hand towards the feet.

    the kimura would submit by rotating the hand towards the head.

    Ronin69 - that's twice this week you posted the wrong picture! :-)
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    Unless you're calling it "ude-garame" or whatever the Japanese is, you have to differentiate. I learned that as an "Americana".
    Normally, I'd say I was grappling, but I was taking down and mounting people, and JFS has kindly informed us that takedowns and being mounted are neither grappling nor anti grappling, so I'm not sure what the **** I was doing. Maybe schroedinger's sparring, where it's neither grappling nor anti-grappling until somoene observes it and collapses the waveform, and then I RNC a cat to death.----fatherdog
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    here's my (ignorant) question of the day.

    what's the difference between an americana, key lock and paint brush (and I'm talking about the grappling moves you bunch of smart asses!).

    I have them all as the same technique.
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    They are the same. Though I've seen key lock refer to a few different things.

    Most commonly the americana.

    I believe catch wrestlers call a bicep crush a key lock (not sure about this one).

    Mike Swain calls tieing up someones arm in their own gi a key lock.

    Some call the variation of kimura/americana where the arm is STRAIGHT and you get the elbow in a straight elbow lock a keylock.
    You want some birth control? You can smoke a cigarette.
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