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  1. HereBeADragon is offline

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     Style: Limalama, Judo & BJJ

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    Thanks for the info. San Fran is a bit to far for me to travel regularly but its a good start.
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     Style: Bartitsu

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    A lot of people are setting up Bartitsu study groups these days; not formal clubs, just small regular skill-sharing sessions working from the Bartitsu Compendium.
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    where are the formal clubs located? *wants to get into bartitsu*
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    There aren't many out there yet; it's early days for Bartitsu reconstruction. http://www.bartitsu.org/index.php/bartitsu-today/ - a bit out of date in that it refers to several one-off events (seminars, etc.) that have already happened, but it lists most of the clubs out there as well as some upcoming training opportunities.
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    generally though are people reconstructing via the compendium?
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     Style: Bartitsu

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    Depends on the group. In general, the modern practice of Bartitsu includes both the "canonical" curriculum (the partial syllabus specifically recorded and detailed by E.W Barton-Wright between 1898-1902, largely presented in the first volume of the Bartitsu Compendium) and neo-Bartitsu (which includes a vast range of additional material from Barton-Wright's colleagues, their students, etc. dating through to the early 1920s, and which is represented in Volume 2).

    Basically, the classical syllabus is "Bartitsu as we know it was" and neo-Bartitsu is "Bartitsu as it may have been" and "Bartitsu as it can be today". There's a lot of creative license built in to the neo idea and different groups take it in different directions (practical self defense, sport, historical recreation etc.) Most people actually combine all these approaches in various ways.

    All of this can be a bit difficult to understand from the more traditional MA perspective. Modern Bartitsu takes an open-ended and open-source approach to reviving the art, which was, after all, left as a "work in progress" back around 1902. The aim to the revival is to continue Barton-Wright's experiments rather than necessarily to complete them.
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    ok so what there is now is basically people with experience in various grappling/striking/stickfighting arts using the compendiums as guides to reconstruct Barton's art while integrating various methods from the aforementioned arts?

    sounds kind of like what barton was doing in the first place.
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     Style: Bartitsu

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    That's the gist of it, yes. On the other hand, the consensus within the Bartitsu Society is that if your revival/reconstruction moves too far away from the "lineage" material; for example, if all your stickfighting was Filipino rather than in the Vigny/Bartitsu style, or if most of your boxing was in the modern style rather than Edwardian "scientific fisticuffs", there's not much point in referring to it as Bartitsu because you're just re-inventing the Jeet Kune Do/Dog Brothers/MMA wheels.

    In that sense, Bartitsu is sort of deliberately anachronistic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DdlR View Post
    That's the gist of it, yes. On the other hand, the consensus within the Bartitsu Society is that if your revival/reconstruction moves too far away from the "lineage" material; for example, if all your stickfighting was Filipino rather than in the Vigny/Bartitsu style, or if most of your boxing was in the modern style rather than Edwardian "scientific fisticuffs", there's not much point in referring to it as Bartitsu because you're just re-inventing the Jeet Kune Do/Dog Brothers/MMA wheels.

    In that sense, Bartitsu is sort of deliberately anachronistic.
    Makes sense. Is the bartitsu compendium a widely available book? Could i just waltz down to the local B&N and pick it up? or do i have to look somewhere special?
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