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  1. DerAuslander is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by Student4Ever View Post
    Thanks for the information. Maybe I need to rephrase the question. Since they practice the Pyong Ahh forms, do they do them well? I am asking people who also still practice and use these traditional forms on a regular basis. I couldn't care less about organization affiliation, or if they practice "real chungdokwan" or not, it doesn't matter.
    I'll take a look at the videos and get back to you.

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    I'm not impressed. At all.

    For one, they don't even know the name of their forms, calling Pyeongan "Pyon", etc...

    Laying aside discussions of the fundamental value of dancing forms representing a martial arts system...

    Aesthetically, the forms I viewed were rushed, showed a lack of balance, a lack of center, and very little in the way of coordinated power generation.
    Last edited by Jiggle Butt; 5/17/2010 12:58pm at .
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    I just viewed their channel. In the one video that is displayed, it looked like each one was racing to get the form done before everyone else, which resulted in the shortcomings Der enumerated in his post above.

    Perhaps its an odd drill or some kind of weird warm up???

    I certainly won't pass judgment on the org based on it, but my observations were about the same as Der's.

    Daniel
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    I thought the same thing. So I brought this up to one of the guys I know that practices. He said that they try to put as much speed and power into their forms as if it was an actual fight. But they seem to sacrifice their technique for the sake of speed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel Sullivan View Post
    I just viewed their channel. In the one video that is displayed, it looked like each one was racing to get the form done before everyone else, which resulted in the shortcomings Der enumerated in his post above.

    Perhaps its an odd drill or some kind of weird warm up???

    I certainly won't pass judgment on the org based on it, but my observations were about the same as Der's.

    Daniel
    Quote Originally Posted by Student4Ever View Post
    I thought the same thing. So I brought this up to one of the guys I know that practices. He said that they try to put as much speed and power into their forms as if it was an actual fight. But they seem to sacrifice their technique for the sake of speed.
    I remember discussing this on Warrior-Scholar several years back.

    They think that by dancing their forms in such a manner they are mimicing the way they would actually do the moves in a fight.

    However, as we can see from the videos, it results in shitty, uncoordinated technique, with zero coordinated power, etc.

    Not to mention the complete bullshitification of the actual point of form training and ignorance of the bunkai of the Okinawan forms.:new_2guns:thefinger
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    Well this is officially a McDojang. I can not believe he has 11 different schools in this organization. I got this email the other day, since I signed up for their mailing list.

    Fees for Testing‏
    From: World Martial Arts Association (worldmartialartsassoc@gmail.com)
    Sent: Sat 5/01/10 6:26 PM
    To:
    Lower Belts

    $60 White through Purple Belts (all ages)
    $50 High Purple Belt

    $80 Brown belts age 15 and younger (child)
    $50 High Brown Belt
    $100 Brown belts ages 16 and above (adult)


    Black Belts

    1st Degree Test
    Ages 15 & under (child) $600
    Ages 16 & above (adult) $800

    2nd Degree Test
    Ages 15 & under (child) $800
    Ages 16 & above (adult) $950


    Upper Degree Black Belts

    The following prices apply if the candidate has attended the Headquarters practice on a regular basis, paid the yearly registration fee for matriculation, and their payment of class fees are up to date.

    3rd Degree Test $1,100

    4th Degree Test $1,300


    www.wmaa.com


    I am a bit of a novice, but should prices be this high? On top of this you have the monthly school fee as well as yearly dues.
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    Jesus Christ, the Gukgiwon doesn't charge that much for testing!
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    Nor does the Chung Do Kwan (the real one, headquartered in Kang Nam-Gu, Seoul, Korea).
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    uhhg! even ATA tests don't cost that Much!
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    I am just amazed that they can trick 23 schools worth of people to pay these prices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DerAuslander108 View Post
    Jesus Christ, the Gukgiwon doesn't charge that much for testing!
    Jesus shares your sentiments.

    500 dollars for a junior/poom belt is steep to say the least. 900 for a first dan is unreasonable.

    Daniel
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