FWIW I watched Jessica Finley (the designer of these jackets) lead an excellent ringen class at the WMAW conference last year, and have chatted with her; I would struggle to believe that her intentions are anything but upfront.
Originally Posted by Mordschlag
I don't see any suggestion that many HEMA groups will, or even should "require" uniform jackets. These jackets provide an option for groups who want to train ringen techniques and also look the part; nothing more nor less that I can see.
I am just really suspicious of turning Ringen into something like the EMAs and I would personally hate to see such uniforms being required by many HEMA groups in the future. Far too ritualistic for me.
Once again; these jackets are intended for practicing the historical ringen techniques that *do* require grabbing clothing. They are much stronger than t-shirts and are aesthetically appropriate for historical European martial arts. These are obvious, basic points that are explicitly made in the video review.
Skin - I'm not trying to say skin is exactly like a Gi. Obviously it is not exactly the same, you can't grab skin exactly like a sleeve or a collar or a belt. But like I said...unless the plate you want to practice requires said article clothing, I don't know why you'd want to wear the Gi.
The jackets are not intended as protection against skin-grabs.
That floats your boat then by all means go for it. But who cares if you get a little fucked up from sparring? Isn't that the nature of the martial arts? Do you want to be that guy who wears a bird cage on their head when they do open hand sparring? If not, why would a Gi be any different? If you fight with swords, do you not expect to get bruises and cuts? If you fight with your hands, do you not expect pretty much the same?
Was referencing the posting by BadUglyMagic.
Originally Posted by DdlR
Why the hostility? Do you dislike the idea of a training jacket that much?
Originally Posted by willaume
Damn your eyes, you discovered my dastardly secret, thorough the cover of slanging off your argument, I really despise jacket because of my non resolved Oedipus and the fact my mother forced my to wear a jacket every time I went to school.
Originally Posted by BadUglyMagic
Originally Posted by willaume
Your posts read as if should have a voice-over by John Cleese. Thank you.
1. Why is there a problem with having a western style grappling jacket for western style grappling? Its like asking why do Judo players or BJJ guys have a gi.
2. Are there any published resources on Ringen? I'd really like to learn more on this style but I haven't seen much published on it.
Last edited by Mordschlag; 4/27/2010 1:59am at .
YouTube- Medieval Wrestling
Also this instructional DVD from a German group - http://revival.us/leibringenintroduc...wrestling.aspx . IIRC it was a bit controversial because they "mixed and matched" techniques from different sources, but as far as I know that's what they set out to do, by creating a wrestling style that represented the whole Renaissance German tradition.
These look good ;
Sensible, decent colours, no stupid gimmicks.
Originally Posted by captainzorikh
These look like **** made up by typical mcDojo types who really want kung-fu pyjamas but pretend they dont ;
YouTube- Review: Western Martial Arts Jacket by Jessica Finley
(A comprehensive video review of Jessica Finley's new HEMA training jacket design, courtesy of Bill Grandy.)
I got to 36 seconds before I had to stop watching. Ugh.
Real men use second-hand Barbours from the olde charity shoppes.
1) There is no problem as such, the point is it is not vital to have one as a judo gi or an old fashion rugby club will do the job just as well.
Originally Posted by HereBeADragon
at the end it is matter of taste.
2) well you know, like most of us you will have to RTFMMs.
There are some videos from different groups on you tube.
No-one really has a clear idea, and that includes me, at the momment it is our best educated guess. and with a bit of research yours will be just as good as mine.
Last edited by willaume; 5/01/2010 3:16am at .
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