scorpion crunch... thoughts?

**fanger123** · Posted On: 7/06/2010 11:08pm

So I'm a blue belt training at Revolution team.

Got paired up with this other blue belt who is much smaller than I am, which is rare. (I weigh 160 with Gi on)

So ended up in his guard, I notice he tries to break my posture. I see that he reaches his hands behind my back, I assume he's trying to feed my Gi or something. I noticed his neck is exposed (since his arms are around me) and I go for ezekiel from inside his guard.

Before I can sink in the sub, a sudden, sharp pain as if someone kicked me in the kidneys and I tap right away.

And there ya go, it was a scorpion crunch. I didn't know what the move was, but it hurt like a mofo...

I talked to the guy afterwards, apparently he used it with great success in competitions...

Anybody else use this move? Any comments?

I found this vid where another dude taps

YouTube- OGC 14 January 16, 2010 Masters Final

and this other guy couldn't really get it to work...

YouTube- Scorpion Crunch Doesn't Work

and here's sub 101

YouTube- Scorpion Crunch

***jnp*** · Posted On: 7/06/2010 11:36pm

I watched the first and third video. What I noticed is that bottom guy has to destroy top guy's posture to make this work. The more skilled your opponent, the harder this will be to accomplish.

If someone locks their legs that high on my back, I know I have to posture up or hit combat base immediately or I will be broken down. How high his legs are on my torso and how far off to the side he is dictates my response.

In the last video you can see at approximately 1:13 how he uses his elbows to bend outward the inside of top guy's elbows and break his posture enough to link arms behind his feet. In this video, this is the final step in achieving the position necessary to perform the submission.

**CarlosJesena** · Posted On: 7/07/2010 3:51am

YouTube- 101 Submissions By Geeza - #36 - The Jackpot - Ray Elbe

Geeza (purple belt) in competition. We call it the "jackpot", lol. He made the dude puke.

Our coach gets a kick out of it.

**DKJr** · Posted On: 7/07/2010 4:02am

Interesting I'll have to give it a try to discourage those who try to smother me in guard. I noticed in the last video that when they showed doesn't work on all body types he wasn't over the arms that time. I'm guessing that makes a difference.

**CarlosJesena** · Posted On: 7/07/2010 4:05am

Originally Posted by David Koresh Jr.

Interesting I'll have to give it a try to discourage those who try to smother me in guard. I noticed in the last video that when they showed doesn't work on all body types he wasn't over the arms that time. I'm guessing that makes a difference.

Depends on your legs too, I guess? I've done it on bigger guys. I'm 5'8", did it on ~6' guys. But I do a lot of Glute-Ham-Raises too. Try it out maybe?

**Kambei Shimada** · Posted On: 7/07/2010 6:42am

Im gonna try it tonight, looks interesting.

***WhiteShark*** · Posted On: 7/07/2010 9:41am

Where does the pressure come from? Arms or legs or is it it a push/pull thing?

**fanger123** · Posted On: 7/07/2010 11:14am

Originally Posted by jnp

I watched the first and third video. What I noticed is that bottom guy has to destroy top guy's posture to make this work. The more skilled your opponent, the harder this will be to accomplish.

I think you are absolutely correct! I didn't resist him breaking my posture when I got tapped... I went with him to set up the ezekiel before my ribs got crunched...

Will check the puking video when not at the library... the guy who used the crunch told me about the video, too.