4/22/2010 12:54am, #71
So, from a teaching perspective, "set" sequences of techniques that illustrate practical or realistic action-reaction situations are very useful in my experience. If done enough, along with randori at various levels of intensity, students get a idea/feel for how to adjust to different situations.
These sorts of drills are not always the easiest thing to set up and get students to do, especially beginners. Beginners have to learn the basics while also starting to be trained in action-reaction. As a teacher, it can be difficult to juggle the needs of everyone involved, especially in a large class.
Many "teachers" either do not understand this, due to their own lack of experience at their art and/or teaching in general.
4/22/2010 9:36am, #72
The main problem with teaching a sequence drill is that beginners don't get the point that they have to do X when you do A so you can go to B. They for the most part believe that they will never do that and resist the drill and make it difficult for tori to so it with success.
So many times it comes to your training partners if you are going have any success learning combinations.Judo is only gentle for the guy on top.
4/22/2010 2:13pm, #73
Yes, a noob might always do something odd that messes up the plan, but thats what makes randori fun."Out of every hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back." -- Hericletus, circa 500 BC
4/22/2010 4:23pm, #74
I spend a lot of time teaching beginners how to be good uke/training partners, and I hammer home the point that without a good uke, learning Judo is very difficult.
Something about mutual welfare and benefit fits in here somewhere.
4/23/2010 11:42am, #75
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You're wise to teach people how to be a good uke. Being a good uke is an underrated skill. For example, my judo instructor recently had us drill a classic combination that depends on uke's reaction: tai otoshi --> uke steps over --> uchi mata. But practice was worthless if tori didn't throw a tai otoshi hard enough and uke didn't respond at the proper time in the proper way.
One guy at our dojo, a former wrestler, has such a hard time being a good uke -- he wants to resist everything -- which makes him frustrating to work with on these sorts of things. How do you teach people like that? (Beyond "relax").
Obviously, being a good uke is similarly important in ground work -- but the uke/tori dynamic is less clear. I understand what Kintanon is saying, but beyond a few canned moves I've never really been able to effectively practice complex chains on the ground. To practice sweeps like that, you really seem to need to have a good passer to practice against -- someone who knows how to react properly -- see where you end up, and work from there.
But, on the other hand, what do I know. I'm not exceptionally skilled and my passing game -- the best part of my BJJ game -- is based more on strategies than specific techniques.
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4/23/2010 1:55pm, #76
Beginners and intermediate level students just don't know enough about what they are doing to help each other like that, although some individuals are exceptional. Also, they have to learn how to do the technique (pin, choke, armbar, whatever) correctly as well, so it is a double burden.
If your passing game is more based on strategies than technique, that is a higher level than simply trying to memorize sequences of passes, etc., although learning and drilling single methods has a lot of merit. I have to sometimes go look up a reference, because I can't remember a specific attack sequence, and it's important to teach the right sequence to beginner, because they won't know how to adjust.