Question for Taekkyon practitioners.
Hello, I am a noob who just joined few days ago. At the moment I practice Aikido with my university group in New Jersey, US.
I wanted to start out with Taekkyon, but I could not find a Taekkyun jun soo gwan anywhere near the east coast (I heard there are few in CA).
Out of fascination, I actually bought the Taekkyon DVD by Turtlepress before joining bullshido, and I really wish I knew of bullshido before buying that DVD because it was most utter crap I've ever seen.
So to the Taekkyon practitioners in bullshido, is there any informative book or dvd you would recommend for Taekkyon? None of my friends in Korea practice Taekkyon and I have problem joining online communities in Korea because I gave up Korean citizenship years ago and lack a social security number.
Suggestion for any kind of books/dvd on taekkyon (may it be documentary or instructional) would be appreciated since I don't believe I can learn Taekkyon off a dvd, but I wish to be better informed about the art. I am planning to take some class from Kyullyun Taekkyon jun soo gwan when I go to Korea next summer.
ps: I do Korean Masked dancing and it does look similar to Taekkyon (at 3:18), and okumjil in Taekkyon seems to be almost identical to okumjil I do during farmers drumming (constant motion of bending knees). Do you think my knowledge in these performance arts would help me better grasp the concepts in Taekkyon?
YouTube- Taekkyun #25
It's too bad you got the Turtlepress shite. Really a waste on all possible levels. I'm not aware of any other instructional videos, but I haven't been to Korea in two years, so there might be something now.
I think the best books are these, in order of quality:
전통무술 택견 by 송덕기 / 박종관
우리무예 택견 by 도기현 (part of a series)
한국무예 택견 by 이용복
택견 전수교본 by 오장환
These aren't available in the U.S., but you might be able to order them off the Kyobo Books site: http://www.kyobobook.co.kr/index.laf
There's also a book in English, just titled "Taekkyon," available from Amazon. I haven't read it. It appears to be produced by the Korea Taekkyon Association, so it probably supports their view of things.
Thank you very much for book suggestions. 전통무술 택견 by 송덕기 옹 was sold out so I am trying to get my hands on the 2 book series by 도기현. I think I am just going to buy the Korean books, much more comfortable reading first hand material rather than a translated version.
I don't understand anything about this art, and this confuses and enrages me.
Guys like TNMP and Edgewalker are few people in bullshido who actually seem to have first hand experience with the art, so if you use search function and type in 'Taekkyon', you should see few threads/posts by these two and few others that may give you some idea. Also, videos on youtube posted by ssey2000 have various competitions+documentary segments regarding the art, but none of them are subbed, so I suggest you watch the ones on the competition. ssey2000's channel page on youtube:
Information in English regarding taekkyeon.
On rumsoakedfist.org, search for Korean Taekkyon.
Take a look here for proper information regarding taekkyeon. Read from page 4.
DaeHan, Kyurlun, ChungJu fits the definition of Bullshido.
I know this is an old thread however, I have been doing WiDae taekkyon for the last 6 yrs.
It is different from the main stream taekkyon you will find on youtube. (DaeHan, Kyurlun, Chungjoo).
There is a book. 3 of them. I have one of them, which will show you how taekkyon really looked like. It has categories of techniques.
Also Hwarangdo claims their martial art was supposed to have been since beginning of Korean history, but it is subak / taekkyeon that has been there from beginning of korean history.
Silla ( the kingdom where Hwarangs come from ) imported taekkyeon from Koguryo.
I have put more information below. Since there is lack of and it has became bullshido thanks to Kyurlun, Chungju, and Daehan.
This is for WiDae Taekkyon ( the taekkyon Master Song Duk Ki taught )
Its main characteristics compared to other martial arts is:
1. Use of hwargetjit. animal like movements. not like how kung fu has monkey stance, etc.
basically how an animal moves its body for optimal power and efficiency like how birds fly using full motion of their whole wing muscle.
2. More Soft than Hard
3. Techniques used to take opponent off balance.
4. All sorts of kicking techniques high and low including sweeps. So far the most comprehensive compared to other martial arts known.
5. Punching and hand striking techniques. Taekkyon has its own style of punching. It is more similar to boxing more than chinese styles, yet also use lot of open palm strikes.
6. Some sort of throwing and grabbing. Similar to aiki jujitsu yet different. And please don't say it has borrowed this aspect from Japanese martial arts.
It looks similar not the same.
7. Use of poom balb ki (stepping unique to taekkyun)
8. Active guarding, most martial arts use passive guarding. If I had to say its more similar to BJJ in this aspect.
There are more than this however the above is main.
Taekkyun is not precursor to TKD, however, many kicks were derived from Taekkyun.
TaeKwonDo's name was named after Taek kyun, along w/ few of its kicks.
I know many people either questions either if this was a game or a real martial art, but I'm not gonna get into that or try to prove one or the other, believe what you think, but it was both, depends on the setting.
Before Japan invaded Korea, Taekkyun was already quiet difficult to find.
Basically during Choson era, I am lazy to look up exact dates.
People who did taekkyun (commoners) had competitions and lot of social issues came w/ it. Basically it was fight for a bet.
For example: 2 people would fight and they would bet something or someone even of other party.
So one guy would bid that if I win I get your wife, one guy would want the other party's house etc.
After the fight, one guy would lose something big in life. The government banned it due to these issues.
The government banned these competitions. I am not sure about taekkyun as a whole.
These facts are documented, b/c King ordered the ban. Don't know the exact name of the king etc. You can do your search to confirm the facts if you have that much interest. Its hard to find information on this subject.
Now under Japanese colonial rule, it is hard to find evidence either way about their policy about not practicing Korean indigenous martial arts (Koreans say one thing and Japanese say another), but you can find evidence they try to assimilate Koreans, this further made taekkyun done in public difficult.
So now under those backgrounds there have been 2 cases of taekkyun practicioners that were known.
One is Song Duk Ki.
There was another incident where taekkyun comes out in the news in Hawaii early 1900s among Korean immigrants there.
Supposedly there was a Korean man who got involved in a fight and saved some people from thugs, they asked him what he used. He clearly stated Taekkyun.
There was a news article regarding it. But after that, the person was not traceable (don't know where he went). Nor did any taekkyun practioners come out from Hawaii.
So basically the taekkyun you are seeing lately is due to Song Duk Ki's doing.
Basically the lineage line of Taekkyun known is
Imho (Song Duk Ki's teacher, from what we know he was an aristocrat he was also friends of Song Duk Ki's older brother) -> Song Duk Ki (1893 -1987)
Song Duk Ki's story was that there were actually quiet a few of them learning/practicing taekkyun in his village, and after the N-S Korean War,
when he came back to his village, none of the other taekkyun practitioners came back. Dead from war... who knows, basically his interview said he was the only one that appeared back at the village.
He taught many after that, exactly when he started teaching i am not sure, it is not documented and you can only hear about it from the people who learned from him. And from that the result varies greatly.
There are 4 federations of taekkyun currently, led by different people.
1. The Korea Taekkyon Federation (KTF). The KTF is led by Lee Yongbok, who learned from both Song Duk Ki and Shin Han-seung.
2. The Korea Traditional Taekgyeon Association (KTTA). The KTTA is led by Jeong Gyeong-hwa who was given the title of "living cultural asset" by the Korean Government. He learned from Shin Han-seung and Song Duk Ki.
3. The Kyulyun Taekyun Association (KTK). The KTK is led by Do Ki-hyun who mainly learned from both Song Duk Ki, but also from Shin Han-seung.
4. The World Widae Taekkyeon Organization (WWTO). The WWTO is based in Los Angeles and led by Go Yong-woo who learnt from Song Duk Ki.
Now I will tell you the difference the reality of taekkyun at the moment. What you see on youtube is not how taekkyun supposed to be.
(Now you guys are going to ask me where I am getting this information)
You will only understand the situation if you are in Taekkyun community and have been for a long time. Its actually a mess.
So I want to share with you this information. You will not find this much information in English b/c no one has posted it in English.
Anyways 1, 2, 3 founders were taekwondo practitioners before they bumped into Song, and they only had few weeks even few months of training under Song.
#4 who is in the US and another master are somewhere in Korea had both nearly 15 yrs approximately under Song.
They knew Song before the founders of 1,2,3 appeared b/c they lived in the same village as Song, and records of them training in taekkyun are much earlier than 1, 2, 3.
They don't teach publicly or have federation of schools, yet are active.
1,2,3 are fully aware of existence of 4, yet they don't seemed to be cooperating each other.
In time when 4 appears in public is when you will see the real thing.
So basically TKD doesn't come from Taekkyun. Not directly at least not from Song.
There is no linkage of teacher personally teaching.
I know TKD founder Choi Hong Hi claimed to have learned taekkyun, but we don't know who he learned from.